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When I hear that I bring up Come Together and ask how it should’ve been done.I never understood the whole "drumming has to fit the music" thing that people often say when justifying simple drumming.
When I hear that I bring up Come Together and ask how it should’ve been done.I never understood the whole "drumming has to fit the music" thing that people often say when justifying simple drumming.
I'm not offended in the slightest that you don't idolise Peart, Portnoy, etc. They're not your taste and that's totally fine.I agree with those being fightin' words to most, but me, I don't find him or any other progressive drummer's style hard to play, if anything you just have to memorize a lot of different parts (and that would be the difficult part not the playing but the memorization) but I find that style boring... Rush or any progressive bands are to me more about showing chops than actually having a good groove. I do like some songs from them but I would not buy an album or go to a concert (and now that he is dead you can't anyway). I feel the same about Dream Theater, Tool... Highly overrated drummers not particularly hard to play but just a bunch of memorization.
It's just fine the way Ringo played it. I admire this guy's drumming as much as I admire this guy's....just because you personally don't like one style of music does not make it bad.When I hear that I bring up Come Together and ask how it should’ve been done.
Thank you. I amend my statement to, I'm not a fan of prog rock. Never got into any of it, but that being said, I love watching Portnoy with the hello kitty set. Gold.To further elaborate on my previous point.......busy, complex drumming is par for the course for most progressive music. Sure there are outliers, but generally people expect there to be "more notes" in the music....that's typical for a prog fan.
Another ProgSlam!but generally people expect there to be "more notes" in the music....that's typical for a prog fan.
I'm not religious at all so that would not work... you have different experiences than me so you believe what you think it's right for you. If we were all the same this would be a pretty boring place. And it's because of my attitude that I have been fairly successful....You discovered some hidden truths 99% of the world hasn't? Start your own religion, buddy, you're guaranteed success with that attitude
I don't consider drums as separate but they do have to work as part of the music otherwise they are against it and it would normally would not work but sometimes it does. Underneath...not sure if I can think of an example of that. And just because someone can master a technique, it doesn't mean that what they play will necessarily be musical (blast beats come to mind). And drumming that fits the music doesn't have to be simple. Example Mgla. Exercises in futility. The cymbal work combined with the continuous double bass and the snare accents are not simple drumming but also not overplaying and they serve the music perfectly.I never understood the whole "drumming has to fit the music" thing that people often say when justifying simple drumming.
My question to that is "Isn't drumming the music in of itself?" Why do drummers oftentimes talk about drums as being separate, or even "underneath", the rest of the music?
Its just my opinion and just because I could sit there and memorize all those parts and play them correctly doesn't mean I would. We all learn differently and to me if I can learn it I can usually execute it with some very fast double bass parts as the exceptions. I also did say that I like some of the songs . But I guess if one must focus only on the negative (to you) part of my comment...then I can't help you.I'm not offended in the slightest that you don't idolise Peart, Portnoy, etc. They're not your taste and that's totally fine.
I also totally understand (even agree with to a point) that their playing style can be too flashy and not groove like other players, but to call their skillset "just a bunch of memorisation" (as if memorisation and execution are the same thing) is reductive to say the least.
No negativity from me buddy- you're the one claiming it's easy to play like Peart and Portnoy, not me (I'm not as amazing as you).Its just my opinion and just because I could sit there and memorize all those parts and play them correctly doesn't mean I would. We all learn differently and to me if I can learn it I can usually execute it with some very fast double bass parts as the exceptions. I also did say that I like some of the songs . But I guess if one must focus only on the negative (to you) part of my comment...then I can't help you.
Ok you need to read the rest of the thread, I said that I could spend the time memorizing all those parts and then play them correctly. I also said that (memorizing all the parts) would be the hard part for me. But say for example i put the song in a daw, and loop 15 second sections, I practice each part until I get it perfect then move on to the next part until I finish the whole song, there is no reason why I would not be able to play that entire song perfectly in a short time. That is exactly what some youtube drummers do. They go a step further....they edit the mistakes out of the videos, I wouldn't do that and I would actually play the song in one take. No need to be amazing to be able to do that which is why you can only really judge a youtube drummer's talent when he/she is playing material that they wrote themselves.No negativity from me buddy- you're the one claiming it's easy to play like Peart and Portnoy, not me (I'm not as amazing as you).
Well, consider me now a bit more educated (video editing definitley not my expert subject).Ok you need to read the rest of the thread, I said that I could spend the time memorizing all those parts and then play them correctly. I also said that (memorizing all the parts) would be the hard part for me. But say for example i put the song in a daw, and loop 15 second sections, I practice each part until I get it perfect then move on to the next part until I finish the whole song, there is no reason why I would not be able to play that entire song perfectly in a short time. That is exactly what some youtube drummers do. They go a step further....they edit the mistakes out of the videos, I wouldn't do that and I would actually play the song in one take. No need to be amazing to be able to do that which is why you can only really judge a youtube drummer's talent when he/she is playing material that they wrote themselves.
I personally have not used this method as it kills the fun part of playing for me.Well, consider me now a bit more educated (video editing definitley not my expert subject).
I used to do some terrible drum covers in one take (and one camera angle)- clearly I should have employed this method! ?
I don't consider drums as separate but they do have to work as part of the music otherwise they are against it and it would normally would not work but sometimes it does. Underneath...not sure if I can think of an example of that. And just because someone can master a technique, it doesn't mean that what they play will necessarily be musical (blast beats come to mind). And drumming that fits the music doesn't have to be simple. Example Mgla. Exercises in futility. The cymbal work combined with the continuous double bass and the snare accents are not simple drumming but also not overplaying and they serve the music perfectly.
I mostly listen to metal and I still think blast beats are not musical. that trend started with Slayer modifying (speeding up a polka beat) then it degenerated in faster faster faster until it got to what bands play today. I'll admit there is a technique to them and some drummers actually make them sound good (David Diepold, George Kollias) but have you ever played blast beats outside of a studio? like for rehearsal? it sounds awful. I love drums and drumming but when it comes to blast beats....But what defines if something is musical? You?
Blast Beats are musical for the style of music they are played in. You may not like blast beats, maybe you don't find personal musical fulfilment in them, maybe you don't listen to metal.....but to say they aren't musical? They *ARE* musical in the genres you find them in.
Again I never said anyone sucked, I said they were overrated.. calling me ignorant for that is just not being able to accept that people have different tastes.I think when people say oh Peart sucks (for example)....I think what they really mean is Pearts style doesn't resonate with them.
Or the genre doesn't resonate with them like Seafroggys pointed out. Which is fine.
If Peart threw dog poop on the guys house for no reason at all, OK then Neil would suck ha ha.
Peart doesn't suck, he just didn't inspire the commenter. Peart and suck don't belong in the same sentence, you'll forgive me here. Peart has given the culture iconic lyrics just like John Lennon did. Focusing on the negative....a person could focus on positive too, so why the negs? It says more about the commenter than the target.