Zildjian: 400 Years.

[Frank Godiva]

Remembering Robert Zildjian | Gretsch

www.gretsch.com

https://cite.case.law/f-supp/147/614/

Avedis Zildjian Co., Plaintiff-appellant, v. the Fred Gretsch Mfg. Co., Defendant-appellee, 251 F.2d 530 (2d Cir. 1958)

Avedis Zildjian Co., Plaintiff-appellant, v. the Fred Gretsch Mfg. Co., Defendant-appellee, 251 F.2d 530 (2d Cir. 1958) case opinion from the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit

law.justia.com

TurkIsh Cymbal

It is thought that cymbals have been in existence in the Middle East and Asia since the first millennium BC as tiny finger cymbals. Cymbals as we know them now developed later, and were made from vari

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(I believe) he's talking after 68 (when he went to Istanbul permitted by court etc order)

Looks an awful lot like the machine at chevys



I love how he says “the violence of manufacturing”

History of Cymbals: 5000 Years in 3,000 Words | DRUM! Magazine

Here is the history of cymbals, the earliest forebears of cymbal were made around the time bronze came about, around 3,000 B.C. and more!

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[jda]

A. Zildjian sizzle, made in Constantinople, Turkey; or more like made in quick get away to Bucharest +/-? but, nonetheless, an "A" but not a (USA) "Avedis". (an Aram.
And the K's.
Gretsch catalog page from 1948/50 +/-
Ads catalog pages like this must have fried Avedis USA (and their lawyers) buns.

 

[kdh]

Remembering Robert Zildjian | Gretsch

www.gretsch.com

https://cite.case.law/f-supp/147/614/

Avedis Zildjian Co., Plaintiff-appellant, v. the Fred Gretsch Mfg. Co., Defendant-appellee, 251 F.2d 530 (2d Cir. 1958)

Avedis Zildjian Co., Plaintiff-appellant, v. the Fred Gretsch Mfg. Co., Defendant-appellee, 251 F.2d 530 (2d Cir. 1958) case opinion from the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit

law.justia.com

TurkIsh Cymbal

It is thought that cymbals have been in existence in the Middle East and Asia since the first millennium BC as tiny finger cymbals. Cymbals as we know them now developed later, and were made from vari

www.turkishculture.org

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(I believe) he's talking after 68 (when he went to Istanbul permitted by court etc order)

Still playing my 1986 Sabian 22" extra heavy ride and my 1986 Sabian 14" flat hats bought brand new in 1986. Went through many crashes over the years. Love both Sabian and Zildjian cymbals. I have both in my collection.

 

[jda]

So..

So what does their really old stuff look like? I see a lot of stuff from maybe as far back as the 1960's or 1950's. I want to see something from the 1600's!!

likely in the Turkish Military Museum
some snips in that video above)

 

[ToneT]

Oh. Just seeems like yesterday ; )

1623-2023
yep they're going to Blow this out..

Infinite sounds, unlimited possibilities.

Shop the official Zildjian online store, featuring cymbals, drumsticks, and percussion mallets.

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Bring out some new models from the "Goody Pile" !

 

[Neal Pert]

Boy, that "Brand Journey" page is something else. K Cons came out in what? 1998-99. NOT 2002. It's all about "the family" even though no one in the family has designed a cymbal in over 20 years.

A Redesign
Keropes
Avedis Series
Special Dry Series

I can go on and on, but I'll just say-- it's a weird telling of events.

 

[jda]

Zildjian knows what the release date of K Cons was.
1998 (I bought new in person 20 Light and 22 Light

2002 date refers Dancin Devils MTL TH MTH
Ad campaign and the name stuck with those introduced models.
that explains that

 

[Neal Pert]

Zildjian probably knows what the release date of K Cons was.
the 2002 date refers Dancin Devils MTL TH MTH
think explains that

I first played K Cons in 1999. I know better than they do. Guessing there are zero surviving family members who give a crap. 1998? 2002? Whatevs.

 

[jda]

(there's an entire orchestra in an old K Zildjian (they were built for orchestra) Sometimes you don't want that much but. It cannot be denied) amen

 

[iCe]

Zildjian just posted this on their Facebook and i had a good laugh

 

[TheJarvis]

I assume there will be a 400th anniversary cymbal on the horizon also could be limited edition and damn pricey. The 100th birthday cymbal here in Australia retails for......wait for it..... $4,000AUD.

 

[newoldie]

Remembering Robert Zildjian | Gretsch

www.gretsch.com

https://cite.case.law/f-supp/147/614/

Avedis Zildjian Co., Plaintiff-appellant, v. the Fred Gretsch Mfg. Co., Defendant-appellee, 251 F.2d 530 (2d Cir. 1958)

Avedis Zildjian Co., Plaintiff-appellant, v. the Fred Gretsch Mfg. Co., Defendant-appellee, 251 F.2d 530 (2d Cir. 1958) case opinion from the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit

law.justia.com

TurkIsh Cymbal

It is thought that cymbals have been in existence in the Middle East and Asia since the first millennium BC as tiny finger cymbals. Cymbals as we know them now developed later, and were made from vari

www.turkishculture.org

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(I believe) he's talking after 68 (when he went to Istanbul permitted by court etc order)

Loved that interview and listening to RZ speak about Sabian's philosophy and business model. I wonder to what degree that's changed since Andy Zildjian took over as President in 2013.

Sales Info: I assumed sales were greater than this but Zoominfo.com quotes Zildjian having 31.6 M revenue; Sabian 16.2 M

 

[jda]

Zildjian email:
Ya familiar with Yamamoto? His You Tube page?

"The Zildjian Company is also proud to announce that Manabu Yamamoto has joined the company as a Cymbal Innovation Specialist. Manabu, a life-long percussionist, is the found of ArtCymbal where he makes bespoke hand hammered cymbals using the Tankin method of cymbal making. Manabu's cymbal making talent has been recognized by artists and cymbal experts around the world, due to his ability to develop beautiful and complex cymbals that looks and feel as good as they sound."

usually displays every era of old Ks in addition to his own handmade sometimes Brass cymbals..
also:
"Guy Licata will assume the new position of Manager of Core Business Innovation. In his role, Guy will be responsible for leading our R&D teams for both our cymbal and stick portfolios and will work directly with our Master Cymbal Maker, Joe Pallai. Guy is a long-time endorser of Zildjian Cymbals and Vic Firth Sticks and is an alumnus of The Drummers Collective in NYC where he was a student of Jojo Mayer and Jim Chapin and later went on to become a full-time faculty member. As a touring and session musician, Guy has performed with numerous major label acts, as well as dozens of indie and DIY artists and bands. His credits include multi-platinum releases and worldwide tours ranging from clubs and theaters to major festivals and arenas. In addition, Guy is the founder and creator of the Reflexx Practice Pad which is now part of the Zildjian product portfolio. "
~~~
from the website:

Zildjian R&D Announcement | 2023

zildjian.com

 

[wildbill]

CME has some 400th limited edition vault cymbals.
Sure - it only happens once, and they might become collector's items, but I don't think I'd pay that much for them.
I like Zildjians, but I'm not a fanatic about them.

Zildjian 20" 400th Anniversary Vault Ride Cymbal Limited Edition

This 20” Zildjian A Ride cymbal, is one of only 200 available worldwide, released by the Zildjian family from their private vault of historic and vintage cymbals. This cymbal was made at the original U.S. Zildjian factory in Quincy, MA and was produced in the mid-1940s. The owner of this cymbal...

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Zildjian 15" 400th Anniversary Vault Crash Cymbal Limited Edition

This 15” Zildjian A Crash cymbal, is one of only 200 available worldwide, released by the Zildjian family from their private vault of historic and vintage cymbals. This cymbal was made at the original U.S. Zildjian factory in Quincy, MA and was produced between the late 1930s to mid-1950s. The...

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[vyacheslav]

Maybe they can celebrate their 400th Anniversary by stocking their own products! It looks like they are out of stock on about 75% of their sticks. They also don't seem to offer brushes any longer.

Why are they keeping their stick brand alive? Vic makes all of their sticks, why don't they just shutter the stick game and let Vic do it all? THe signature models (and other models) can be absorbed under Vic

 

[Bozozoid]

As King of the world I've got a bone to pick with Zildjian. It took you....400 years..to come up with the 14 fat! hats!?....

 

[jda]

One of our member is...in the video.. initial's G. L.

nice vid

 

[timmdrum]

I wonder what the oldest surviving Zildjian cymbal is, and where...?

 

[toddbishop]

1954: Avedis Zildjian USA Loses Court Case To Gretsch over Gretsch distributing/Advertising (etc) K. Zildjian Cymbals. Judge Rules (agrees with defendent (Gretsch) K. Zildjian is a different (separate) item from an Avedis Zildjian. Gretsch allowed to market K.Zildjian and an A. Avedis (Aram) . Avedis Zildjian loses case; tucks tail goes Home but doesn't let it go or forget it

1968: Once again Avedis tries to stop the importing advertising distribution of K Zildjian Made in Turkey cymbal by Suing again Fred Gretsch Co.
This time Judge decides in Avedis Favor.

Turkish "K. Zildjian works" given a 10 year (1968-1978 (the actual New Stamp era K by the way) to vacate cease and desist all operations in Turkey. Bob Zildjian (see Bob porch interview on yt) visits the Turkish works during this period, Sizing up the place, wiping the white glove on the desk looking around, observes the hand hammering, (knowing now, in 10 years what was or wasn't (they could have kept old K open but opened Meductic azco68 instead) to be, the fate of the place.

1978: K. Zildjian Turkey closes doors. Dissolved. Pink Slips for mehmet and all everybody . Snuffed. Avedis Zildjian Co. USA successful completes snuffing out old) K . Zildjian the hammering in the town goes silent..





Darn Avedis (est.1929 in America) Zildjian Co. Always seem to leave those ^ little tid bits out^
now you know- the rest of the story.

Zildjian: “We destroyed K. Zildjian so you'd be forced to buy our cymbals.”

I wouldn't be at all shocked if they were making smiths sign non-compete agreements...

 

[jda]

Have to say...

I like the "new guy"
@Guy Licata