Phonic plus as well. I'm waiting to see if anyone comes close to my description. 30 years ago I was at a local club listening to a road band and was talking with the drummer on break about kits. He was playing a natural lacquered Gretsch kit. When he described his thought on Sonor phonics it has stayed with me to this day. This may be my favorite thread of all time as short lived as it will be. Lay it on me. .