Yeah there's more I haven't put in the photo: some Traditionals, Sound Creation, Twenty's, Sigs. no Rude's though. I just never got into them much.
The blue label Form. 602's are a wonderful sounding set of 14" Sound Edge hats I bought new back in 1986. Love those.
I bought a Tama Pancake kit just for practicing, and want to use the opportunity to try a different brand of cymbals on it. I've been Zyldjian guy forever, mostly A Custom and various Z series. I'm a hard rock drummer, and I like heavier, very bright cymbals (no dark or washy stuff for me). I understand Paiste has a different metal formula, but I've rarely heard Paiste cymbals up close, nor do I have drum shop close that stocks enough to try.
Since I like heavy, bright cymbals, I'm looking their Rude series, Signature Reflector, and also the Signature & Signature Precision lines (I don't know the difference between the two).
Can anyone enlighten me on those lines, what they sound like compared to Zyldjian? I know very little about Paiste sounds.
If you’re looking for some cymbals for a practice set up, look into the Paiste PST7 line. I think the material is similar to the 2002 line, but the manufacturing is different. Very good bang for the buck. They’re available in multiple sizes and weights. They would work well with your Tama pancake kit.
I think Paiste manufacturing is where the difference in sound comes from.
Every model of Paiste except Masters are made from sheets of metal (not ingots) produced at a German foundry. This, in part, gives those Paiste cymbals unparalleled consistency from cymbal to cymbal. The Masters lineup are made from ingots in Turkey. They are partially formed cymbals which are sent to Paiste/Switzerland for hammering, lathing, etc. by Paiste.
"All Paistes are also made from "cast" "ingots"!
The difference is the size!
All an ingot is, is a bar, a plank or round lump that was poured molten into a mold then cooled.
The difference is Paiste's foundry makes MUCH larger ingots and then rolls them into a very long "sheet".
Zil/Sabian take much smaller ingots and roll them into a small "sheet" the size of one cymbal."
Also, the link he provided to the Paiste wiki will tell you exactly how all Paistes are made.
"British Paiste foundry"
So, Wielandworks has a facility in Birmingham where they "cold roll" the B15 alloy for the signature series, the main German facility is where they melt, mix, pour and "cast" all the the ingots: B20, B8 and B15!
B20 is hot rolled in Germany and B8 is cold rolled there as well, I don't know why they only roll B15 in England, it could be because B15 needs to be ground before they can cut blanks out of it....
Yes! This. I just replaced my 1977 22" Zildjian ride with Paiste Signature 33" Full Ride. Brought my Zildjian to the shop and did a side-by-side with the Paiste and lack of "gonginess" was the main difference.
Additionally, especially on the crashes, Paiste sounds a bit more "glassy".
That's it, never able to understand exactly what I didn't like about the Zildjian but this lower hum under it, I thought it was my rack resonance but with the CRS (Cymbals resonance system) on every post I have on the rack, it was gone but not with the Zildjian, so, I exchanged them (16 heavy crash + 16 medium heavy crash + new beat 14 plus heavy ride from Canada, 70's) against two paiste, Dark Energy 15 and Sound Formula 16 frankenstein logo and couldn't be happier.
That's it, never able to understand exactly what I didn't like about the Zildjian but this lower hum under it, I thought it was my rack resonance but with the CRS (Cymbals resonance system) on every post I have on the rack, it was gone but not with the Zildjian, so, I exchanged them (16 heavy crash + 16 medium heavy crash + new beat 14 plus heavy ride from Canada, 70's) against two paiste, Dark Energy 15 and Sound Formula 16 frankenstein logo and couldn't be happier.
In my experience, any cymbal with "heavy" in its name sounds like a mini gong to me. It's not surprising that you felt that way about your Zildjians. They're not all like that, of course.
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Sheets going into the oven prior to hammering.
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