Paiste 602 22" thin opinions

KenDoken

KenDoken

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I'm thinking of picking up a paiste 602 22" thin sn#418081. Apparently it's 2400g which seems on the heavy side for a thin 22

Anyone owned one of these? I'm interested in their take
 
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That’s a 602 Thin Crash ? The 22’s come in ride and crash to my knowledge.

I have one , and it’s one of the most beautiful sounding cymbals I own. Unfortunately I don’t use it much. It’s not very useful as a light ride, the weigh distribution and overall vibe is too washy for me. I know some drummers can make that work.

But as a big lush pop rock crash cymbal? None better.
 
KenDoken said:
which seems on the heavy side for a thin 22
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I think that thought ' applies more to random hammered very Turkish types of cymbals whereas a symmetrical +/- hammered style like a 602.
That said I had a 2834g pre serial 22" 602- granted it had a edge rip which loosened up the entire cymbal a bit; I still thought it was low and funky enough (without resorting to the low weight ethos +/-
So I wouldn't pass up a used - reasonable priced- old 602 22- that ventured into the middle weights : )
 
jda said:
I think that thought ' applies more to random hammered very Turkish types of cymbals whereas a symmetrical +/- hammered style like a 602.
That said I had a 2834g pre serial 22" 602- granted it had a edge rip which loosened up the entire cymbal a bit; I still thought it was low and funky enough (without resorting to the low weight ethos +/-
So I wouldn't pass up a used - reasonable priced- old 602 22- that ventured into the middle weights : )
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Yeah. I wish the reissues were this weight 2800 instead of 3100.

You can find an older ride on reverb occasionally that’s 2800 or so. They’re really great cymbals if you want something a little cleaner.
 
&, I would almost say- adding to my 2c- 2400 in a 602 may be "too low" Ken...
Don't know if you'd be happy with it's ' pitch, "as a Ride.. : )

Altho open to hearing a SF of a 2400g 602 22" ridden.. : ) if anyone could scarf one up . : )
 
where etc. is the 602 advertised Ken..
there's an almost identical g i had..
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Paiste 22" Formula 602 "Pre-Serial" Medium Ride Cymbal 1959 - 1971 | Reverb

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another with edge knick turned crack as they are wont to do;
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Paiste 22" Formula 602 Vintage Ride cymbal - 2837 grams 1960s-70s | Reverb

Paiste 22" Formula 602 Vintage Ride cymbal 2837 grams 1960s-70s Small crack and set hole is slightly out of round -- see pictures. Still sounds fantastic.
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and a fat (ha) 3163g with video
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Paiste 22" Vintage Formula 602 Pre-Serial Ride Cymbal 1970s Traditional | Reverb

Paiste 602 22" pre-serial Ride cymbal in very good condition. Sound file and gram weight on request. Small keyhole in bell, otherwise in great shape for it's age. B20 bronze shaped to perfection. Vintage cymbal vibes, pure, clean tone. 3163g
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WOW and........It has the "obligatory" "602 edge nick turned to crack" (602) feature

(I had bought 9 old 602's -each suffered from...)

But Yes that's a Rare bird to - go after!!!
You can take that ad down if you want to not advertise it) seem's Cheap reasonable price too...
 
7 minutes- Go!- you're going to have to drill it- but So What (as Davis would say..

Own it!
 
KenDoken said:
www.ebay.co.uk

Vintage Paiste Formula 602 22 THIN... 1 cm crack (COLLECTION ONLY/NOTTINGHAM) | eBay

A beautiful cymbal dating from 1974 and rare to find in the 22" size,,, but, Ouch! I picked this up a number of years ago and have never played it as it awaited a repair.
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Last post before my afternoon gig.

I don’t know what you would use it for, how your touch is, or what sticks you use, but that’s very likely a great cymbals.

I’d expect it to go for more by the end of the auction
 
jaymandude said:
Last post before my afternoon gig.

I don’t know what you would use it for, how your touch is, or what sticks you use, but that’s very likely a great cymbals.

I’d expect it to go for more by the end of the auction
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I would probably use it as my main ride mostly for jazz. My touch is all about the fingers right now, push-pull on teenths and shuffles so fairly light. Sticks are maple 7bs.

I'm currently using an antique ismir 20~. Its amazing but need a second main as sometimes have gear in 2 places. I currently use a mehmet mini cup 19 but find the hum overbearing. I have enjoyed my 602 18 flat thin pre serial on the left so much that I'm hoping it has a little of that magic

I have won the auction and purchased and just need to arrange collection
 
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Sticks are maple 7bs.
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Very light touch. 👌

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I have enjoyed my 602 18 flat thin pre serial on the left so much that I'm hoping it has a little of that magic
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I just bought a 22” Signature Traditional flat ride and absolutely love its sound. Great stick quality with a silvery undertone/wash.
 
I finally managed to collect the cymbal
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There's rattling when tapped so not going to wallop until it's been cleaned
 
KenDoken said:
I finally managed to collect the cymbal
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There's rattling when tapped so not going to wallop until it's been cleaned
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That crack needs to be fixed ASAP and before you play it again! You will ruin the cymbal of you don't.
Cutting/grinding out the crack now (do not drill a "stop hole", it won't work and will crack again), will save the cymbal and have little to no effect on the sound quality (see picture below).

Also, you do have a 22" 602 "Thin", they were discontinued in 1978, The thin was placed between the thin crash and the medium in comparable weight. It's a light cymbal for ride use, but if your playing jazz, it's probably perfect! The serial number says your cymbal was made in 1974.


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Well, I had a go at the cymbal. Not the neatest of my work. It's Friday afternoon and my arms are hanging off so it'll do.
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The cymbal sounds good. Lots of warm body to the wash. The stick is bright and clear whilst being pleasing. It sounds full and gets excited easily. The vibrations just keep going and going. It really kicks the stick back so feels amazing for uptempo stuff. It certainly shares some features with the 602 thin flat 18 I have but with a lot more body

If anything it's a bit too nice sounding for me. Compared to my cast hand hammered Turkish 20 it is missing some of the more shrill, tremulous evil sounding elements. Looking forward to playing it out
 
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Well, I had a go at the cymbal. Not the neatest of my work. It's Friday afternoon and my arms are hanging off so it'll do.
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The cymbal sounds good. Lots of warm body to the wash. The stick is bright and clear whilst being pleasing. It sounds full and gets excited easily. The vibrations just keep going and going. It really kicks the stick back so feels amazing for uptempo stuff. It certainly shares some features with the 602 thin flat 18 I have but with a lot more body

If anything it's a bit too nice sounding for me. Compared to my cast hand hammered Turkish 20 it is missing some of the more shrill, tremulous evil sounding elements. Looking forward to playing it out
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Classic 602's are great sounding cymbals and a nice alternative.
You did a really good job: the aim is to minimize the stress on the radius where the crack used to be.
Also, have you checked the edges for nicks dings and "flea bites"? They are a major cause of cracking, I file or sand them down to be safe.

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type85 said:
Classic 602's are great sounding cymbals and a nice alternative.
You did a really good job: the aim is to minimize the stress on the radius where the crack used to be.
Also, have you checked the edges for nicks dings and "flea bites"? They are a major cause of cracking, I file or sand them down to be safe.

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Thanks for the advice. I got the sandpaper and wirewool out and the whole circumference is satisfyingly smooth

There are so many 602s with cracks (centre and edge ). Perhaps theres something about the manufacture that holds a lot of tension
 
I took the cymbal along to rehearsal, it sounds lovely in a heavily treated room. The cymbal blended very well with upright bass and trumpet but drowned out electro acoustic guitar. The wash built up a lot under my careless playing. It's going to be useful for exercising my restraint
 
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