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These are the posts I need to just smile and run away from. Now I am running.On the head tightness thing, I had the same issue with my son's Pearl Vision. No biggie, but that's on a budget kit.
I know little about the Saturn, but because your post intrigued me, I looked it up. I notice it has the "L" arm holders, so maybe reversing the arm to the down position may help. That said, from what I can see, the so called suspension mount looks like yet another cost saving "hang it off a few lugs on one side" type arrangement. Also, any clip I pulled up on youtube showed the kit to be a bit dead in standard form. Given that this is a thin shelled kit, I'm surprised they've not paid more attention to the mount. Providing a direct route from hoop to lugs to mount is a sure way of constructing a sustain sink. The importance of the hoop in offering sustain cannot be overlooked IMO. I genuinely believe that bolting a tom mount directly to the shell would be a better arrangement than the standard format.
Agree, throw a RIMS style mount on those tubs & let 'em sing out. Apart from the suspension mounts, & the battleship of a kick drum tom mounting tower, I'm really not getting the purpose of some form of suspension mount for the kick drum spurs. On a standard kick drum construction, why would you?
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Well, ol' Walt had the money to convert the swampland in the first place. I don't think anybody would do the same thing today....
Well, ol' Walt had the money to convert the swampland in the first place. I don't think anybody would do the same thing today....
Oh dear, have I gone & done it again? Is my ignorance of this construction going to come back & haunt me, prey tell!These are the posts I need to just smile and run away from. Now I am running.
I notice it has the "L" arm holders, so maybe reversing the arm to the down position may help.
That said, from what I can see, the so called suspension mount looks like yet another cost saving "hang it off a few lugs on one side" type arrangement. Also, any clip I pulled up on youtube showed the kit to be a bit dead in standard form. Given that this is a thin shelled kit, I'm surprised they've not paid more attention to the mount. Providing a direct route from hoop to lugs to mount is a sure way of constructing a sustain sink. The importance of the hoop in offering sustain cannot be overlooked IMO. I genuinely believe that bolting a tom mount directly to the shell would be a better arrangement than the standard format.
Agree, throw a RIMS style mount on those tubs & let 'em sing out. Apart from the suspension mounts, & the battleship of a kick drum tom mounting tower, I'm really not getting the purpose of some form of suspension mount for the kick drum spurs. On a standard kick drum construction, why would you?
Is it the edges? The fact that the shells aren't undersized, like some manufacturers like to make them?
I picked up a Saturn kit after selling off a bunch of my extra gear, last week. It's fantastic looking, made extremely well, and seems to sound good. I have to wonder though - am I getting the full potential from the drums? I'm using the stock Remo heads and on all four toms, the heads pretty much have to be stretched over the edges and cranked down, to seat properly. I measured the drums - they're all round (within 1/8") and they DO seem to tune up alright - though I don't think I've found the "sweet spot" on them, just yet. The hoops all appear to be fine. They just seem to be a tight fit! The kick drum was the easiest to tune and the heads actually seated just fine on it.
Has anyone else noticed this? I have some Evans heads laying around and I've noticed that they're a bit wider at the collar than Remo heads. I prefer remo but maybe I'll give the Evans a go on them.
I A/B'd them next to my Renown kit in the same sizes, with the same heads. I thought the Renown drums sounded really nice - until put next to these Saturns. So, I guess the tight fit of the heads isn't an issue!? It still makes me a little uneasy.
On the head tightness thing, I had the same issue with my son's Pearl Vision. No biggie, but that's on a budget kit.
I know little about the Saturn, but because your post intrigued me, I looked it up. I notice it has the "L" arm holders, so maybe reversing the arm to the down position may help. That said, from what I can see, the so called suspension mount looks like yet another cost saving "hang it off a few lugs on one side" type arrangement. Also, any clip I pulled up on youtube showed the kit to be a bit dead in standard form. Given that this is a thin shelled kit, I'm surprised they've not paid more attention to the mount. Providing a direct route from hoop to lugs to mount is a sure way of constructing a sustain sink. The importance of the hoop in offering sustain cannot be overlooked IMO. I genuinely believe that bolting a tom mount directly to the shell would be a better arrangement than the standard format.
Agree, throw a RIMS style mount on those tubs & let 'em sing out. Apart from the suspension mounts, & the battleship of a kick drum tom mounting tower, I'm really not getting the purpose of some form of suspension mount for the kick drum spurs. On a standard kick drum construction, why would you?
I really love the snare too, have a vintage A remo on the batter right now and the thing absolutely rips!
I have a Meridian kit, and Remo heads dont fit my 12" & 16" toms. Like you, I measured and checked bearing edges.... fine. Tried Evans and they fit.
I think a big part of the problem is that all the different drum manufacturers use different cuts on their bearing edges. The head companies, all have the same starting point for the end of the curve to the flat part of the head for their drum heads. Mapex drums are cut almost right at the beginning of the outside of the shell at a very sharp 45 degree edge. Some companies just seem to fit there shells better. Once the drums are tuned, I don't think it really matters any more. Mapex actually makes the off shore Remo heads that come stock on their kits, so they should know if they will work on their drums. Hey, they sound great to me.
Yeah, getting the difference from the video. There's an increase in the sustain of the fundamental tone plus some higher overtone & rolloff coming out. The "L" rod down thing is from Bob Gatzen, nothing to do with me, but it makes sense if you work out the difference in weight loading hence sustain sink. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrFMPd8HNmQUpside down, really? You may be onto something. Hanging the tom at the very end of the post allows it to sustain the most. Hanging it further down toward the base cuts the sustain even further. Sounds weird, I know...but it's the truth. Here's a little demonstration:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNwbWbmwFY0
...bad audio, due to it being recorded from my phone. It should still be noticeable.
I think they're mounting hardware is a work-in-progress. I noticed the new Black Panther drums have the new style mount, taken from the Meridian series. You're right, the Saturn tom mounts seem to transfer a lot of the shell vibration to the hardware. I'm thinking that a thicker layer of rubber under the mount might help. I already removed that giant gun turret looking piece of metal from the bass drum. I do love that they have kept from bolting all of that hardware to the drums - it only seems detrimental to the sound of the small toms. The big downside of their system is; I can't fit these things into my standard-sized drum bags.
Mapex actually makes the off shore Remo heads that come stock on their kits, so they should know if they will work on their drums. Hey, they sound great to me.
When you say UT's, do you mean the UT's that come on the Meridian's. The Saturn's and Orion's come with full blown Emperors over Ambassador's. They just have the Mapex logo on them. I have 14 of them, and they all fit fine.The stock UT's fit fine. But the "regular" Ambassadors and Emperors wont
That's it Zambizzi, you need a riser made from 30 ton of boulders, lol!I have all mine at the top of all my L-rods and they sustain like crazy. All stock heads. Have a listen if you haven't already. This was done with a regular definition flip phone. Sound great to me.
http://www.sticks4drums.com/apps/videos/videos/show/12935991-fooling-around-on-the-monster
No you can't have my riser. My point was that if they sound really good on a flip phone, you can imagine how good they sound in real life or with good mics. When my Sennheisers come in I am going to do a nice sound video of the drums and the cymbals, just for reference for my site and anyone else that is interested. I don't know what else I can say. Honestly, they sound great. I passed on Tama, babinga, and DW for them. You can't beat the walnut interiors in my not so humble opinion.That's it Zambizzi, you need a riser made from 30 ton of boulders, lol!
They sound fine to me, but difficult to really work out how they sound with a flip phone & fast playing.