I think that the only point we agree on is that the contractor should be paid the agreed-upon amount, regardless of how long they play. Even if the venue cancels the band last second. Doug's band didn't start late, they started exactly on-time.
Outside of that... Is it really OK that an employee shows up before work and starts drinking?
*No loitering after load in - I'm cool with that. Not every club has a green room.
*Music starts after the game - I'm cool with that.
Outside of that... Is it really OK that an employee shows up before work and starts drinking?
: (We played for exposer.
We didn't even get paid. We played for exposer. There were a lot of radio adds and posters around town with us on them, so I suppose that's worth something. I wasn't a happy camper driving home that night at 2:30 in the morning, having been there 8 1/2 hours to play 3 songs to an almost empty bar after the main act left.
Wow, that is dedication. Hope it pays off.
You have some of the more interesting band escapades on here. How did it work out with the heavy drinker guitarist after all?
So wait, it would be OK if he ordered a coffee and was told to p*ss off and not drink his coffee in the bar while waiting to 'employ' himself?
I had another bad gig experience this weekend. My country band was booked to play a show closing for James Wesley... We played for exposer. There were a lot of radio adds and posters around town with us on them, so I suppose that's worth something. I wasn't a happy camper driving home that night at 2:30 in the morning, having been there 8 1/2 hours to play 3 songs to an almost empty bar after the main act left.
Depends on which club.
Having an employee 'at' the bar (not 'in' the bar, but at the brass rail) is a great-big-no at every club.
Musicians in a band coming from the outside to play are NOT employees of the bar!
You keep confusing an inside "employee" of the bar/restaurant with the band the musicians that come from the outside to help the bar as outside help - a win-win scenario. Musicians in a band coming from the outside to play are NOT employees of the bar!
You keep confusing "your opinion" with the laws and regulations in various jurisdictions. FWIW, I also can't serve alcohol the Roto-Reuter guy fixing the latrine, the building inspector, etc. I agree that it's utter madness, but there's nothing a club owner can do but comply.
If an actual employee comes in off-shift and sits at the bar, I have to be extra careful that they don't do anything that could possibly resemble work, even something as innocent as discarding a gum wrapper in a private-area trash can could result in a $1500 penalty to the proprietor.
To put it in perspective, a loitering 4-piece band is a potential $6000 liability in NYC, King County, Atlantic City, and Philadelphia. The solution we've always implemented is to construct a physical barrier (3' wall) between the bar and dining area, and obtaining two licenses. Some clubs take the "VIP Area" route. Some have green rooms where real-estate is cheap. Others do nothing and go out of business in a year.
We put off firing the guitar player because he booked that gig and he works with the radio station that put on the show. We were pretty sure that if we fired him beforehand, he would cancel the gig and make us look bad to the radio station. We want to work with them in the future so we kept him on until now. He only showed up to two out of the last four gigs. He only shows up for gigs that he books. If they aren't big enough he doesn't bother showing up. He wants to be a rock star without putting in the work to be a good musician first. He has been in the band eight months and still doesn't even know the first two sets. At that gig last night, he started yelling on stage for us to stop playing because he couldn't find his wireless for his guitar, and we started playing without him. We were vamping on the intro while he hooked up his gear. To avoid more of scene on stage we stopped and waited for him to finish. It took about him five more minutes to get ready to play. By that time what little of the crowd that had stuck around and was dancing to our into left. The saddest part was after the gig we went up to the guy from the radio station that was there and said we would like to keep working with them in the future. He told us to go talk to (dumb a$# guitar player), because he books all the bands for the station's events.
Might even go outside with my band mates and hang around have a smoke too!