Absent 60 years of aging and getting beat on, I'd be looking at a med-thin Turk, either Bosphorus (not Master) or Cymbal & Gong. Not Agop or Mehmet-- too funky. Or just get any decent 22" jazz cymbal that isn't too goofy and play it like Bill Stewart. A Mel Lewis Agop. A C&G with a heavy patina.
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I like Bill’s dry, articulate sound and the ability his ride has to be trashy without prolonged wash or sustain.Pretty Tony sounding cymbal there.
Good point. I have a Zildjian K Custom Dark Thin Light Ride 22 (around 2460g) from their 2011 Rarities series and it is a great jazz ride, but, like you note, it lacks the trashiness of Stewart's K Custom.I recently picked up a 22" K Light Ride used (current era, available today). It is very similar to my 22" Dry Complex Medium Thin (Bill Stewart Ride). The K Light wasn't quite as trashy, but there are definite similarities, particularly in dryness/articulation, tone and shimmer. As an aside, the K Light isn't all that "light". It's 2508 grams. Not exactly light for a 22". By comparison, my 22" Dry Complex Medium Thin is 2292 grams.
Not quite. That story was waaaaaaaaaaaaay before his rides were released. The store was Drummers World and the listener thought he heard an old K.Can´t remember where I read that story but back when the Dry Complex rides were still available a guy was shopping for one in a New York drum shop. The owner told him they were out of stock when suddenly they heard someone play in the display room next door. Sounded exactly like a Bill Stewart ride. Turns out it WAS Bill Stewart, playing - a plain A Custom ride.
Moral of the story: The right touch goes a long way towards the desired sound.
That said - I totally get the urge to find such a cymbal.
Thanks for setting the facts straight - my old beer-soaked brain isn´t what it used to be.Not quite. That story was waaaaaaaaaaaaay before his rides were released. The store was Drummers World and the listener thought he heard an old K.
The point though is very true and thanks for bringing it up. I had forgotten about that story
I wonder if you read it here:Can´t remember where I read that story but back when the Dry Complex rides were still available a guy was shopping for one in a New York drum shop. The owner told him they were out of stock when suddenly they heard someone play in the display room next door. Sounded exactly like a Bill Stewart ride. Turns out it WAS Bill Stewart, playing - a plain A Custom ride.
Moral of the story: The right touch goes a long way towards the desired sound.
That said - I totally get the urge to find such a cymbal.
That may well be! The stuff of urban legends, but still...I wonder if you read it here:
https://www.drumforum.org/threads/a...hnique-on-the-ride-cymbal.161495/post-1780884
Seems like an apocryphal forum story, but like someone else said, the point stands.