caddywumpus
Archnemesis of Larryace
Sounds like a tuning issue to me.you kind of have to hit them hard for them to sound good, especially recording.
Sounds like a tuning issue to me.you kind of have to hit them hard for them to sound good, especially recording.
You may be confusing just “hitting hard “ for “hitting consistently “ .But otherwise, you kind of have to hit them hard for them to sound good, especially recording.
That's 100% inaccurate, and how console gain functions. Gain is purely a control of how much level you're initially allowing into the circuitry of the channel. It does not reduce tone in any way by decreasing it if you have a strong signal.you have to reduce the mic's gain quite a few dB, which results in a much smaller amount of the drum's tone making it into the recording.
This is exactly correct. If you just tap a drum, you're hearing largely the sound of mostly the drum head. The wood grains aren't vibrating much during a light tap ad they are during hitting hard. There's too much substance in a wood drum shell to vibrate if you just tap a head lightly.you need to hit toms with a certain minimum dynamic to “excite” the instrument.
Right, but you can still excite a drum and play quietly when needed. It's not such a dire situation that you can't play quietly.This is exactly correct. If you just tap a drum, you're hearing largely the sound of mostly the drum head. The wood grains aren't vibrating much during a light tap ad they are during hitting hard. There's too much substance in a wood drum shell to vibrate if you just tap a head lightly.
It's OK. If this is the worst thing you regret, you'll be OKI sort of regret posting this thread because it really just applied to what I was doing at the time.
I agree that there are too many variables and it all depends etc etc etc etc!
Don't you think? The same is sort of true for snares and kicks, but not nearly as it is for toms.
Unless maybe you have them tuned tightly for jazz or something. But otherwise, you kind of have to hit them hard for them to sound good, especially recording.
Just something that occurred to me, as sometimes I play at night and sort of have to play quietly, and then feel the toms sound kind of shitty.
EDIT: I sort of regret posting this thread because it really just applied to what I was doing at the time.
I agree that there are too many variables and it all depends etc etc etc etc!
You clearly misunderstood what I was implying. When you strike a drum forcefully, you are producing a louder sound which means that the mic's gain will have to be lower to handle the transient attack. If you strike the drum less forcefully, the gain is a bit higher, and the more of the drum's "sustain" will be captured by the microphone, as the difference in level between the transient and the decay will be smaller.That's 100% inaccurate, and how console gain functions. Gain is purely a control of how much level you're initially allowing into the circuitry of the channel. It does not reduce tone in any way by decreasing it if you have a strong signal.
Since wood has much more mass than a drum head, it takes a lot more energy to excited the wood than something with little mass like a drum head. When you very lightly tap a drum, the head vibrates much more easily than a solid wood shell with hundreds of time more mass. Thus, at a vert light tapping, you're hearing almost exclusively the sound of drum head and very little of the shell.You clearly misunderstood what I was implying. When you strike a drum forcefully, you are producing a louder sound which means that the mic's gain will have to be lower to handle the transient attack. If you strike the drum less forcefully, the gain is a bit higher, and the more of the drum's "sustain" will be captured by the microphone, as the difference in level between the transient and the decay will be smaller.
James Gadson absolutely tickles his drums:
Joey Waronker is notoriously a super light player:
For me, I discovered thanks to the general community, that my snare hand wasn’t holding my stick correctly. Something so basic and it worked! I didn’t drop a stick during my practiceDon't you think? The same is sort of true for snares and kicks, but not nearly as it is for toms.
Unless maybe you have them tuned tightly for jazz or something. But otherwise, you kind of have to hit them hard for them to sound good, especially recording.
Just something that occurred to me, as sometimes I play at night and sort of have to play quietly, and then feel the toms sound kind of shitty.
EDIT: I sort of regret posting this thread because it really just applied to what I was doing at the time.
I agree that there are too many variables and it all depends etc etc etc etc!
Yes! I corrected my grip on the sticks and noticed the drum strikes were noticeably quicker and also changed the sound and didn’t drop a stickI love Bill Withers and Gadson...and the other would be good if one wanted that sort of thing.
My bad on this thread, it was simply specific to what I was doing and wanting.
Maybe the idea is, by simply changing the velocity of how hard you hit the drums, you can really change the sound, it may be exactly what you're looking for, or something along those lines. In my case, by simply thwacking them a bit harder, it made the difference I was looking for.
It's sort of like with other instruments, like bass, for example, you can really change the tone a lot simply by using your fingers instead of a pick, or plucking harder or softer or closer to the bridge, etc. You don't have to change the strings or change settings on the amp, or in your mix or whatever.
That's just what I was sort of getting at. For me and what I was going for, tuned the way I have them, it was simply hit the toms a bit harder...boom...there's the sound.
This is all sort of obvious, but I felt compelled at the time to post.