Andy
Honorary Member
Or record in a studiohow many play low-volume totally unmiked gigs?
Or record in a studiohow many play low-volume totally unmiked gigs?
No help needed. Bo does a great job of defeating his own arguments. He regularly doesn't like what he doesn't have, but ends up buying it anyhow. y'know, just to try it. Once he's got it, he likes it, until he sees something else he doesn't like - slams that for a while, then repeat
While I'm in soap box mode, I've never had to repair or replace a lug made of quality material on a drum treated with a modest amount of respect. If you buy drums with cheap alloy lugs, or throw your uncased drums down a flight of stairs, then expect issues. I've never understood the mentality that dictates drums are somehow a lesser instrument not deserving of reasonable care. When was the last time you saw a guitarist hauling their gigging guitar in the back of a truck without a case?
For the record, non of the production Gurus were ever "free floating", just low mass. As for "low interest from the buying public", I closed Guru with a near 2 year order book. We were limited by capacity, not interest, and even 1 year after announcing closure, we still got 10+ enquiries / week until I pulled the website.
The only free floating I have played were Pearl snare : 14x6,5 brass, 14x6,5 steel and piccolo brass. I didn’t like neither of them. I won’t judge the technical stuff. It was just that they did sound worse than their “normal” counterparts.
I agree 100%, and wasn't offering as such. The interest level was high, but in relation to the wider market, the number of players seeing sufficient value to press the button, or having the means to do so, was minuscule.Low interest from buying public is relative to the entire market, not an upper-tier niche of the market. If you look at entire market as the denominator, then the numerator in this case becomes Guru+additional demand for free floating system. That's a tiny tiny negligible percent of the market. Across the entire market there isn't a large demand for free-floating. Guru wasn't the market and you can't measure market demand on Guru's two years of backorders or query volume.
I agree here too, but the Pearl FF was never constructed to take advantage of the potential benefits of unencumbered shell resonance. The associated hardware mass (both directly & indirectly connected to the shell) was counter productive. The best bit about the Pearl FFs was the 16" wire assembly.We have a CB700 brass in storage which I 'think' is the same as a Pearl. My one line review would be:
All of the sonic drawbacks of a roto-tom, coupled with all of the typical drawbacks of a conventional drum, coupled with additional logistical drawbacks.
I usually make an effort to list the benefits of something I'm reviewing, but I honestly can't think of anything despite challenging myself to do so.
I agree here too, but the Pearl FF was never constructed to take advantage of the potential benefits of unencumbered shell resonance. The associated hardware mass (both directly & indirectly connected to the shell) was counter productive. The best bit about the Pearl FFs was the 16" wire assembly.
I'm quite honestly surprise that (outside of your efforts, and the rototom guy) a decent mechanical engineer has never sat down and put a weekend's worth of work coming up with something innovative that achieves the desired results. In an age where bridges exceed mile-long spans and rockets can land for reuse... This problem really doesn't seem like it would be that hard/expensive/complex to overcome.
Brilliant? Yes. The issue is that I don't consider it a free floating system, much like the lugs on a Ludwig Signet aren't free floating. The lugs are still coupled to the shell via tension. With Guru, you get a unconventional looking protrusion. With Ludwig, you get a bunch of holes.Andy’s Guru free-floating system was brilliant, but it basically requires a segment/stave construction to work, I think.
I guess the question posed why not more popular? Can't really say but there is no real reason to not consider these types of drums. in fact Slieshman drums would probably be very cost effective to import into the States given the Aussie dollar is not particularly strong. it's the same as believing 18" bass drums are floor toms, try a single ply 18" it will change your mind. A bop kit like this would probably run around 2 grand U.S. minus shipping. not that pricey really. NFI. just an example.
Yeah I know but just as easy to import yourself if desired. Went to the website not much info on Slieshies at all there. as far as these types of drums.It's interesting how people know about what they haven't tried.FYI Sleishman have a shop in Nashville. https://www.mothertone.com/
There was another system that seemed technically interesting : the Peavey radial sound bridge.
Ugly but the shell wasn’t covered with métal lugs.
Andy’s Guru free-floating system was brilliant, but it basically requires a segment/stave construction to work, I think.
Yeah I know but just as easy to import yourself if desired. Went to the website not much info on Slieshies at all there. as far as these types of drums.It's interesting how people know about what they haven't tried.
There was another system that seemed technically interesting : the Peavey radial sound bridge.
Ugly but the shell wasn’t covered with métal lugs.
I've often wondered about this for stave drums. Since the drum is built in pieces and the lug locations are known, I don't see why "lugs" can't be wooden, part of the shell, and use threaded inserts instead of swivel nuts. We have machines that can do this.