17 Things Local Bands Don't understand .

I disagree somewhat with the point about Facebook. It shouldn't be your only tool for promotion, but it's very useful for its networking properties alone.

One big problem with Facebook is that you have to pay them to reach all of the "fans" of your page. Posting on one's band page won't be reaching all of them.

Even in the days of MySpace, I remember a local band posting about a gig, and that post got 6,000 "likes." Went to their gig, and I was one of three people who actually showed up.

I think that pressing the flesh and adding value to your shows works the best.

I had joined this band, that was actually on its way to becoming a three-piece. I was his first drummer, and he [guitarist/singer/owner] had just moved into town from another state. He said his first gig was already booked at The Viper Room, and he had 30 days to get it together.

This was the guy whose band I quit, but then he encouraged me to NOT quit so that he could fire me a few hours later.

I went to The Viper Room the evening of his gig, just to see how badly he failed. It was raining, and there was a line going around the block. As it turns out, he triple-booked the venue. I couldn't even get in.

Saw him walk up to security to tell them he was taking his guitar to his booth. They told him no instruments were allowed at the booth, but he did it anyway. One guard said he was gonna give him some crap about it, and the other said that "he probably triple-booked, so let him do whatever he wants."

He didn't use Facebook or any online social networking to do this.

What he did probably involved having a trust fund of some kind.

He'd wake up at the crack of 5:00pm and get dressed up as if he were playing a show. The guy was part vampire, part Prince. Always, always, always dressed impeccably. Glittery, shiny, and spotless. He would get to the club early and stay at the venue all night long.

During these evenings, he had tickets. He did not give them away in the hopes that people would show up. Instead, he charged for the tickets, thereby adding value to what he was offering.

Dude was a hard-core Narcissist and highly charismatic, so he "made friends" with just about everyone he met. As a result, his gigs were always packed to the brim for the first year. He wasn't really selling the band. He was selling himself, and he was THE most incredible thing, in his own mind.

What he did can't be done online. Body language, voice inflection, intrusion of personal space, and real-time interaction got him some incredible results.

But he changed drummers and bassists the way most people change underwear, so his lack of consistency probably caused him some damage. Today, he's a real estate agent.

I think that posting about a show online is about the same as getting flyers printed up and leaving stacks everywhere. They don't really do much.
 
OK, so according to the rules cargo shorts are out.......maybe it would be easier to provide an example of what is "in"....:)

Summer gigs = shorts for me......and some of them have pockets. Club gigs back in the day = pants that won't get hung up on the beater from the bass drum.....and never skinny jeans.....because, well my junk likes to breath.....others' mileage may vary. Wedding gigs = tux........


This was so funny!

I wore a tux for a wedding in the summer time often. One such gig was on the roof of a building in 100 degree weather in late June.


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From Ari Herstand via Facebook.


1. Trashing other bands in your scene isn’t hurting their rep. It’s hurting yours.

2. Acting disinterested with folded arms at the back of the room at other bands’ shows does not make you cool. Singing along at the front of the stage does.

3. Looking like a rock star isn’t as important as sounding like one.

4. Image is actually important. Cargo shorts are for dads at a barbecue. Not for musicians on stage.
5. Being respectful and friendly will take you much further than being superior and entitled.

6. Going to other bands’ shows is THE most important thing you can do to support your scene.

7. Your scene’s gatekeepers are friends with each other. Get in with one and you’ll get in with them all. If you piss one off, prepare to be blacklisted.

8. You don’t need press to pack a show. You need a strong work ethic
9. Physical promotional materials are still incredibly important. Get out into the world and put up some posters and hand out some flyers. Don’t spend all of your time on Facebook.

10. Facebook is dying. If your entire promotional plan relies on it, you’re doomed.

11. You need to conquer your hometown before you can hit the road. If no one cares about you locally, what makes you think people will care about you anywhere else?

12. Touring means nothing unless people actually show up to your shows. Do not tour unless you know how you’re going to get a crowd at every show.
13. Playing around town all the time weakens your draw. Spread out your shows so you can promote one big show every 6-8 weeks.

14. HOWEVER, when you’re starting off, you need to play out everywhere and anywhere all the time to get practice. Record every show. Once YOU love listening to your live set (and non-friends and non-family tell you they love your band) then you can book real shows and charge a cover.

15. If you suck, you do not deserve to be paid. Get good first. Then you can start charging.

16. No one in the industry cares about how good your music is. They care about how successful you have become on your own.

17. Go out of your way to help others in your scene. It will eventually come back around.

I'm not sure that I agree with all of this whole heatedly (as will others here),

#10 - Facebook is dying - I'm not certain that it is dying but it is pretty well cluttered with noise which is going to be difficult to be noticed.

#13 - I play in cover bands which is mostly dance music. We play all the time, make great money and there is some pretty nice scenery at the gigs (not considered "in concert" especially since we didn't write or record these songs).

I'll leave it at that.

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The best advice I've heard on that topic is "Don't look like you're one of the people who just got off work to come drink and watch your band."
This.
It would be nice if more people would show respect to the musicians and dress like they gave half a crap, and in turn the musicians dressed half-decent to show respect for the people paying to see them.
I get a metal show I expect people to be in denim, t shirts and sneakers. Going to see very well regarded musicians in a beautiful venue? I think we could raise the bar for that environment, just a little bit.
 
One big problem with Facebook is that you have to pay them to reach all of the "fans" of your page. Posting on one's band page won't be reaching all of them.

Even in the days of MySpace, I remember a local band posting about a gig, and that post got 6,000 "likes." Went to their gig, and I was one of three people who actually showed up.

I think that pressing the flesh and adding value to your shows works the best.

I had joined this band, that was actually on its way to becoming a three-piece. I was his first drummer, and he [guitarist/singer/owner] had just moved into town from another state. He said his first gig was already booked at The Viper Room, and he had 30 days to get it together.

This was the guy whose band I quit, but then he encouraged me to NOT quit so that he could fire me a few hours later.

I went to The Viper Room the evening of his gig, just to see how badly he failed. It was raining, and there was a line going around the block. As it turns out, he triple-booked the venue. I couldn't even get in.

Saw him walk up to security to tell them he was taking his guitar to his booth. They told him no instruments were allowed at the booth, but he did it anyway. One guard said he was gonna give him some crap about it, and the other said that "he probably triple-booked, so let him do whatever he wants."

He didn't use Facebook or any online social networking to do this.

What he did probably involved having a trust fund of some kind.

He'd wake up at the crack of 5:00pm and get dressed up as if he were playing a show. The guy was part vampire, part Prince. Always, always, always dressed impeccably. Glittery, shiny, and spotless. He would get to the club early and stay at the venue all night long.

During these evenings, he had tickets. He did not give them away in the hopes that people would show up. Instead, he charged for the tickets, thereby adding value to what he was offering.

Dude was a hard-core Narcissist and highly charismatic, so he "made friends" with just about everyone he met. As a result, his gigs were always packed to the brim for the first year. He wasn't really selling the band. He was selling himself, and he was THE most incredible thing, in his own mind.

What he did can't be done online. Body language, voice inflection, intrusion of personal space, and real-time interaction got him some incredible results.

But he changed drummers and bassists the way most people change underwear, so his lack of consistency probably caused him some damage. Today, he's a real estate agent.

I think that posting about a show online is about the same as getting flyers printed up and leaving stacks everywhere. They don't really do much.

Donald Trump was in a band? ;)
 
I find the cargo shorts thing confusing. I think dressing the part and being generally fashionable, is good but seriously cargo shorts are totally the most fashionable thing sometimes.

I guess one thing I'll never really understand is the old T-shirt with stretched out neck. The guitarist from "Blues Traveller" was wearing this at his show when I saw them in the 90's, he broke about five strings at the show too. A boss I once had, used to wear one on casual days. I guess the thinking is they are more comfortable, but I can't stand the feel of a stretched out T-shirt, flopping around and rubbing on my neck.

I also don't understand why suits are considered so aesthetically pleasing. I wear sport coats and what not, I would also wear a suit,but I don't understand why people think they look good.
 
Cargo shorts are a metaphor, don't take them literally.

It just means 'don't wear any old thing...put some thought into how you choose to present yourself and represent your band'.

If that leads you to cargo shorts, then go right ahead and wear them.
 
In the "shorts" conversation, I think the main takeaway should be that if you are on stage, you are to some degree a visual performer. That being the case, you should be conscious of how the way you look, which includes but is not limited to your clothes, conveys what you are hoping to project. People associate different outfits with different types of people, that's not going to change, whether you support societal norms or not. It's up to you to decide whether you want to be seen as someone who looks like they belong on that stage or not. That could be leather pants and a fringed vest, or that could be cargo shorts, or that could be gym shorts, or that could be a suit, or that could be gold sequins, or a black t shirt and black jeans. Whatever it is, it will say something about you to others whether you want it to or not, whether that thing is the truth or not.
 
That being the case, you should be conscious of how the way you look, which includes but is not limited to your clothes, conveys what you are hoping to project. People associate different outfits with different types of people, that's not going to change, whether you support societal norms or not. It's up to you to decide whether you want to be seen as someone who looks like they belong on that stage or not. That could be leather pants and a fringed vest, or that could be cargo shorts, or that could be gym shorts, or that could be a suit, or that could be gold sequins, or a black t shirt and black jeans. Whatever it is, it will say something about you to others whether you want it to or not, whether that thing is the truth or not.


I get what you're saying. Just so it's clear though... Could you explain the bass player in this video?

https://youtu.be/K_GpxCUg9Vo?t=74

What is the statement that he's trying to to make, or feeling he's trying to evoke?
 
I get what you're saying. Just so it's clear though... Could you explain the bass player in this video?

https://youtu.be/K_GpxCUg9Vo?t=74

What is the statement that he's trying to to make, or feeling he's trying to evoke?

It is a strong statement : he is showing gender support, as the women in the band could not go on tv topless in those times, so he is clearly flagging double standards.

He is a feminist, bass-playing pioneer.

And he just gave us a great idea for our halloween costume.
 
I get what you're saying. Just so it's clear though... Could you explain the bass player in this video?

https://youtu.be/K_GpxCUg9Vo?t=74

What is the statement that he's trying to to make, or feeling he's trying to evoke?

He (or whoever picked his outfit) is making the statement that he is 100% a 70's Rock and Sex God. Totally appropriate and normal for the times. Pretty tame compared to some...
 
It is a strong statement : he is showing gender support, as the women in the band could not go on tv topless in those times, so he is clearly flagging double standards.

He is a feminist, bass-playing pioneer.

And he just gave us a great idea for our halloween costume.

Interesting idea on that that I didn't consider. Do you know this for a fact or is that just your impression? Genuinely curious.
 
Did you ever hear of the New York Dolls? Twisted Sister?

Yes, but both of those bands' members were smart enough to have a full 2" of clearance between the garment and nipple, whereas the Heart bassist is is going to experience some serious chafing against the corset's underwire and adorning row of brass studs.

Any modern bass player knows, the underwire should sit snugly under your pecks, and accentuate the bosom. What this gent was doing is masochistic.
 
Interesting idea on that that I didn't consider. Do you know this for a fact or is that just your impression? Genuinely curious.

No, it was intended as a joke. English being a second language, it often comes out as robotic...

I am 100% behind the 70's sex symbol rockstar thing.
 
No, it was intended as a joke. English being a second language, it often comes out as robotic...

I am 100% behind the 70's sex symbol rockstar thing.

Ah, I see!

Would be pretty badass if he WAS making a statement about double standards and expectations around what men and women are expected to cover up/expose in pop culture and entertainment...
 
I'm always amazed by bands that forget their job is to entertain people with music. Lots around here play too short sets, filled with too obscure 'b' sides. And quite a few of the 'support live music' local dudes seem to only mean it when they are playing, and are nowhere to be found if they aren't on stage.

As is the live music scene seems to be dying, we should all be going above and beyond to keep it alive.
 
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