SquadLeader
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You're working at Mcdonalds sometime in the 90's....
Hmm...not really.
Assuming there aren't many McD employees who actually massively enjoyed what they were doing in the 90s...
You're working at Mcdonalds sometime in the 90's....
Hmm...not really.
Assuming there aren't many McD employees who actually massively enjoyed what they were doing in the 90s...
I haven't read anything but just the first few posts. I don't have any problem with what the "rejects" wanted to do. In fact, it's how I identify musicians as "pro" or professional. It means that you're a dedicated musician that's willing to put the work in on your own without holding each other's hands for three hours every week. Now I will agree, certain things need to be rehearsed if they are going to work. That's why I think a less democratic process is a more professional process, where the leader can decide(maybe with a chart?) how exactly the song will progress and what will be played where.
If you want to look at it from a purely logistics standpoint, let's say you have one gig a month. So that means 3 hours a week * 4 weeks of rehearsal is 12 hours of rehearsal before you even get to the gig. Tack on a minimum of 6 hours for a 4 hour gig and you've just worked 18 hours for how much? 100 bucks? That means you just made about 5.50 an hour. You're working at Mcdonalds sometime in the 90's....
I don't think those kind of hard core cost vs benefits make very much sense on this type of issue where the motivator is the end result (how well do we perform) vs. the most "cost effective" way of attaining maximum value.
I've been on almost every side of this issue. I've been apart of rehearsals that take 15 min, some over the phone conversations, in the car on the way to the venue (hip hoppers will understand that), and full blown dress rehearsals. Part of a group dynamic is knowing that its not completely about yourself. A guitar player I know used to always say "its the difference between being in tune and being in tune with everybody else".
But hey I also agree that its possible to be too rehearsed.....so what the eff do I know?!
Not sure Im understanding or getting this post....Im strictly talking about money, with no intended offence against anyone who worked at mcdonalds or enjoyed working there... I never worked there because I wasnt capable.
+1
For my band and I it's the same.....it's not just about rehearsing, it's about having fun, chatting, having a couple of beers, so we rehearse every week even if we don't have gigs coming.
I'm not really into sitting there playing the same part over and over again while other people try to figure out what they should be doing.
Yep, +1 too and then add some. Band practices are fun and social without all the hassles of gigging.
Personally, I like recording more than anything but others in the band love gigs and hate recording so I'm outvoted.
Gigging is a little hassle when it never pays. Sure, these guys are getting their jollies because they haven't done it as much as me, but I've had a 'career' of gigs that don't pay. I have to look for benefits such as free alcohol, good food, easy parking, not too far away, do I have to wear pants?, etc. That's why I prefer parties.
I like recording too, and I especially like listening to the song immediately after we play it. Technology today is so amazing.
I haven't read anything but just the first few posts. I don't have any problem with what the "rejects" wanted to do. In fact, it's how I identify musicians as "pro" or professional. It means that you're a dedicated musician that's willing to put the work in on your own without holding each other's hands for three hours every week.
Studio musicians careers have historically been built on that they can walk into a studio( that they agreed to show up at) and play (and sound good) with any player that may be there. I don't see how playing live should be a lot different than that. In fact, the live players I've enjoyed the most are the ones with a ton of "studio" experience....
Studio musicians careers have historically been built on that they can walk into a studio( that they agreed to show up at) and play (and sound good) with any player that may be there. I don't see how playing live should be a lot different than that. In fact, the live players I've enjoyed the most are the ones with a ton of "studio" experience....
Some of my best memories, over the years, happened during rehearsals.......................wish I'd have recorded them......................it'd be fun to watch years later
Oh god yes.
So true.
I've sat in with more serious musicians a number of times and have been surprised at the harshness with which they treated each other - as harsh as the most hardball managers at work ... the "I'm here to make music, not make friends" kind of attitude.