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Old 03-24-2019, 06:46 AM
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Default What is your least favorite concession you made in your set up?

Rarely are we perfectly happy with how we set up our kits. Certain parts that need to be set up in a specific way get in the way of other parts of the set.

What is that one item you can't set up perfectly because it isn't high enough on your priority list?
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Old 03-24-2019, 01:41 PM
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My hi hat. Yes it sounds silly, the hats are such a main part of the kit. My left foot having a kick pedal is more important, so the hats are farther away than I would like. I want 15" hats, that would bring them in a half inch, but I want them like 6" over. A cable hat won't work either because I play two rides, and the left ride is in the way. So I concede with my hats. They play just fine, I just get sticks under them more than I would like.
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I had to remove my ride in favor of a xhat, cowbell set up because all three wouldn’t fit on my right plus I realized the ride was hardly used for the music my band plays. The xhat was needed to relieve stress from over-done cross sticking.
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For me it is the third crash. It is too close to the hi-hat rod, and sometimes I hit the rod rather than the cymbal. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 03-24-2019, 03:35 PM
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My preferred tom setup is 12/14F/16F but when your kit is a rescue in uncommon vintage wrap, you settle for a 13/16...
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Tom angles........................Would love to have them a little flatter.
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Old 03-24-2019, 09:40 PM
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Virgin bass drum.

Hate it, but also hate the thought of drilling it.
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Old 03-24-2019, 09:51 PM
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My hi hat. Yes it sounds silly, the hats are such a main part of the kit. My left foot having a kick pedal is more important, so the hats are farther away than I would like. I want 15" hats, that would bring them in a half inch, but I want them like 6" over. A cable hat won't work either because I play two rides, and the left ride is in the way. So I concede with my hats. They play just fine, I just get sticks under them more than I would like.
The high hat side real estate is limited :). I picked up a double pedal that has the beaters in the center. That could give you an extra 6". It is an awkward PITA to set up and it aint cheap, but it solved that problem for me.
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Old 03-25-2019, 05:48 AM
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I am surprised at how many people are compromising on their setup. I have everything right where I want it. I have a small 5 piece setup with a couple crashes so its all pretty easy to put things where I want them.
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When I was younger I used to compromise positioning just for asthetics but I'm older and wiser now. I don't carry any extra pieces that my gigs don't really call for so my set up is efficient and compact and exactly how i want it. Sometimes it's hard to think outside of what you know for set ups...you need to see someone else doing it. No leg hh and snare stand, mounted off stealth rack, was the game changer for me, courtesy of Thomas Lang's old rig.
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Only recently have I made peace with a snare mic position.
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Hmm..
I guess other than the hi hat cld be closer, thanks to the double pedal (a sacrifice I choose to live with), I would say that having everything crammed in so tight that I have to break the set down almost completely to take the toms off when I tune. (I like to have them where 1 side is on a pillow).

I cant take the 8" tom off without moving the 10. But to remove the 10 I have to move the snare. To move the snare I have to move the "throne"(This is easier than loosening the snare stand to take it out). Not a huge deal, but seems like getting it exactly where it belongs takes some time.
To remove the 12" I have to move the floor tom out a bit.

I know, all these "Problems".

I suppose, I could make some marks or tape outline for floor tom, snare seat and hat stand, that way putting it back just right would be closer..


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Old 03-25-2019, 04:30 PM
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There are lots of toys that I'd love to add, but it just doesn't make sense, given the venues I play and the time I have for setup/teardown.

I know its goofy, but I always wanted roto-toms when I was a kid playing. When I started playing again 5-6 years ago, I told myself that I was gonna have them this time around. Bought a used off-brand version, then promptly figured out that I don't have an easy way to incorporate them into the setup.

I keep trying to devise a way to squeeze them in, perhaps only using the two smaller ones. We shall see. Same with a set of chimes, as much as I'd love to have them for ballads in one of the bands I play in, finding a way to put them in place for the few times that I use them is hard to justify.
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Old 03-25-2019, 05:19 PM
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I keep trying to devise a way to squeeze them in,
Have you considered mounting them vertical?
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Old 03-25-2019, 05:31 PM
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Power toms.
90's kit with deep 10x9 12x10 13x11 rack toms. 1 or 2 inch shorter would have been great for me (I'm not tall).
Still, I love how they sound !
The other concession : the weight ! I love my drums, I love my Tama hardware, but damn : heavy as hell.
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Have you considered mounting them vertical?
Yeah, I did consider that. I also was trying to devise a way to put the two smaller ones together, and the bigger one underneath, in an inverse triangle shape. That's a spring/summer project, as the weather gets better to spend some time in the garage. My workshop skills aren't the greatest, but I shall make a stab at it.

The most fun about adding them will be my guitar players head exploding :)

I was more interested in trying to do the chimes vertical, if there was a way...dunno how that would work, since they wouldn't bang together, kinda defeats the purpose
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Virgin bass drum.

Hate it, but also hate the thought of drilling it.
I can totally agree with this. Peace and goodwill.
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Old 03-25-2019, 06:15 PM
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Power toms.
90's kit with deep 10x9 12x10 13x11 rack toms. 1 or 2 inch shorter would have been great for me (I'm not tall).
Still, I love how they sound !
The other concession : the weight ! I love my drums, I love my Tama hardware, but damn : heavy as hell.
I am still lugging around my old Titan stands too...very heavy. I get it
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Old 03-25-2019, 06:26 PM
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I can totally agree with this. Peace and goodwill.
Ya - I guess it's not really a concession, just not the right choice.
I wanted the kit and didn't think it through. Never had one like that before.

One concession I won't make is for a double pedal.
It'd be fun to use one, but it pushes my hi hat pedal far out enough that it throws everything off for me.
I suppose I could get used to it given enough time, but I can do without it just fine too.
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:03 PM
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Ya - I guess it's not really a concession, just not the right choice.
I wanted the kit and didn't think it through. Never had one like that before.

One concession I won't make is for a double pedal.
It'd be fun to use one, but it pushes my hi hat pedal far out enough that it throws everything off for me.
I suppose I could get used to it given enough time, but I can do without it just fine too.
I thought like his until I got one, I had enough space to fit it in as the pedal link was very adjustable. Needed one for a song with the intent to use it in the studio and then sell it after the session, nearly three years later I still have it.

If having one to the right of the hi hat pedal is an issue you can always have it set up to the left instead.
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Old 03-25-2019, 08:18 PM
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Cowbell. I learned to play a cowbell mounted on the bass drum hoop. I wanted to learn out of the Afro-Cuban Rhythms For Drumset book. I was a huge Steve Gadd fan and wanted to be able to play some of those rhythms when I was studying with a drum teacher in my early-20s. So he worked me through that book.

But now that I often play an 18" diameter bass drum, that thing just doesn't sit high enough. There are other ways to address this, but I just don't bother because I don't play the cowbell enough on most gigs to go through any trouble. But it's too damn low.
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Couldn't you get a mount with a longer rod for the cowbell? I haven't ever looked into cowbell mounts, so that might not be an option.
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Old 03-26-2019, 02:22 AM
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I've never bothered with a cowbell mount. It's just mounted on the hi hat rod, which has the added advantage of putting it right where I want it.

F'rinstance I use it on Love Shack, on alternating '3' and 'and-3'. I'd set my arm on fire trying to do that between hat and bass drum.
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Old 03-26-2019, 03:14 AM
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I've never bothered with a cowbell mount. It's just mounted on the hi hat rod, which has the added advantage of putting it right where I want it.

F'rinstance I use it on Love Shack, on alternating '3' and 'and-3'. I'd set my arm on fire trying to do that between hat and bass drum.
Hey hey! I put my cowbell next to my hats for the exact same reason (not Love Shack!). Got a tambourine wedged in there too for good measure. Makes for some fun patterns.

I used to put it on my hi hat rod when gigging. I wasn't allowed to use it with the exception of the few times we covered 'Dethroned Emperor'. The rest of the band did not need more cowbell.
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Wait, cowbell on a hi hat rod....it bobs up and down?

Concessions of any kind aren't included in my list of favorite things, so I am caught in a logic loop.

I'm just being difficult, pay no attention.
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Well that put unpleasant cymbal logos and visible seam wrap into perspective...

OP -nothing major for me other than I'd wish my 13x9 was a 13x8 on the 24" bass drum.
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The short rod to my hi-hat stand is too short use, so I risk hitting the long rod when I cross my arm over to hit the crash between my hi-hats and snare drum.

Other than that, I have everything set up the way I want it... I think.
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Well that put unpleasant cymbal logos and visible seam wrap into perspective...

OP -nothing major for me other than I'd wish my 13x9 was a 13x8 on the 24" bass drum.
To be honest prefer a 14" by 10" with a 24" bass. it just sounds better with a 24.
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Couldn't you get a mount with a longer rod for the cowbell? I haven't ever looked into cowbell mounts, so that might not be an option.
I'm sure there is something like that. I have spent zero effort on fixing it. The most energy I've spent on the matter is typing about it on this forum. I never said I was smart.
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Hey hey! I put my cowbell next to my hats for the exact same reason (not Love Shack!). Got a tambourine wedged in there too for good measure. Makes for some fun patterns.
Internet high five! I also have a tambourine right next to my hats.

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Ride position in combination with the amount of toms. I really like the setup with just one tom (and preferably two floor toms) so that my ride is in a really comfortable spot. I can easily access the bell and lay into the the ride to open it up, also more easier to crash ride it). But on the other side i like to have two toms up front for more 'sonic options', but that means moving the ride. Especially if it's a kit is provided by the drummer/venue with just two toms mounted on the bass drum. I move the ride over the secondary tom, but that also means it's a bit harder to lay into it let alone crash it (or i need to mount it higher then i'd like).
When i use an off-set setup, my hi-hat moves more to the left and i need to adjust the connection bar of my double pedal etc.

With my Masters kit i use 3 toms up front and i really like that, but it is/was always a struggle to mount everything correctly. The ride is most of the time a struggle since a couple of centimeters can make a difference in accidentally hitting the ride instead of the 12" tom. With the rack it makes this very easy to set up the kit again correctly once i have found the sweet spot, but it's a matter of weeks before i find it (long live memory locks).
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Mine is that my two main kits both have 18" Depth bass drums. I would prefer a shallower bass drum, but I got a good deal on the kits.
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Mine is that my two main kits both have 18" Depth bass drums. I would prefer a shallower bass drum, but I got a good deal on the kits.
I was in the same state of mind with my 22x18.

Then I saw Larnell Lewis playing one, Vinnie Colaiuta, as well as some of my favorite fusion/jazz/rock drummers, and thought hey if it's good enough for them...

The trend for shallower depths is definitely back and they are more portable, but soundwise the 22x18 has proven its versatility again and again without contest, mic'd or not.
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I don't like my 20" x 20" kick drum on my Ludwig Centennial drum set.

I know I should get it cut down, but I'm scared I won't like it, I'm afraid it'll be too expensive, and there's no going back after it's been cut down.
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I don't like my 20" x 20" kick drum on my Ludwig Centennial drum set.

I know I should get it cut down, but I'm scared I won't like it, I'm afraid it'll be too expensive, and there's no going back after it's been cut down.
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Then, I'm pretty sure I'd have more money in the kit than what it's worth. I'd thought about waiting it out to find another 20" x 20" kick that matches it, and then cutting it down to see what I thought. I found a 22" kick for sale, but not a 20" yet.
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Tom angles........................Would love to have them a little flatter.
This.

I set up a lot like Travis Barker with everything as flat and low as I can and sometimes that doesn't always work.
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Internet high five! I also have a tambourine right next to my hats.

Spooky man!
I'm still trying to figure out an easy way to integrate the tambourine into my setup, without cluttering up too much. I'll get a better contraption assembled at some point, to combine the tambourine and the cowbell, and still stay out of the way of the other stuff. That's the trick, having it where you can get to it easily, without adding complication from clutter.
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My biggest concession right now isn't an ergonomic thing, but rather a sonic thing. I do most of my "performing" in a church with a traditional sanctuary, so sound is boomy and loud, and as a result, I use ProMark Lightning Rods to attenuate some of the volume. I HATE the tone of split rods, but even playing lightly with real sticks is too much in that room.
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