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Old 03-19-2019, 01:10 AM
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Would you rather be in a band where you, as the drummer, were the best player or the worst player?? I would want to be equal is not an option for this quiz.
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:12 AM
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I would always prefer that I was the worst player in the band. That way I can get better and rise to the level of the people I'm playing with, rather than dumb down.

Plus a simple but steady drum beat behind great players sounds a lot better than the coolest most intricate drumbeat behind horrible musicians.
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I would always prefer that I was the worst player in the band. That way I can get better and rise to the level of the people I'm playing with, rather than dumb down.
I'd be the best drummer they ever had. And I wouldn't dumb anything I did down. I'd drag those guys up to me. It's hard for me to be in a situation where everyone isn't trying to do the very best they can.
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:22 AM
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I'd prefer to be the worst player in the band, provided the others took the time and had the patience to allow me to become a better player. Otherwise, I'd prefer to be the best player in the band and do the same for them.
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I'd be the best drummer they ever had. And I wouldn't dumb anything I did down. I'd drag those guys up to me. It's hard for me to be in a situation where everyone isn't trying to do the very best they can.
I've tried to do that and it is difficult. You can drag people only so far, even if they are doing their best.

I play keys for a church now and I'm by far the best musician in the group and I'm not even that great of a keys player. In the end it is very draining.

I guess it depends on how far off they are and how far you have to drag them up.
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Old 03-19-2019, 01:47 AM
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Depends on which Band.....lol.

I don't consider myself a "real" drummer so I guess I am lucky to be in any band.

Put me down for "worst". I can only go up from there I guess.

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I'd choose "worst' to. I like playing with better of anything-because they challenge me to be better. I love a challenge. The last band I met up on Bandmix I was the better (course that just demonstrated how bad they were)-first time I've experienced that and it sucked. I loved the guys but the band sucked beyond measure and no compass or direction.
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Tough one since the "equal" option is off the table.

I would go with worst so long as I could still deliver the goods for what the music needs.
I feel like I could contribute to the band in other areas and still be an asset.

That being said I think I would struggle emotionally if I was the weakest link in the band.
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Old 03-19-2019, 02:23 AM
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Easily, I'd want to be the worst. The pressure and expectation to play better does wonderful things.

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I'd be the best drummer they ever had. And I wouldn't dumb anything I did down. I'd drag those guys up to me. It's hard for me to be in a situation where everyone isn't trying to do the very best they can.
I have this dilemma currently and been thinking about this subject (yet again) just this week.

I've been in a band for about 5 years. For the last 2-3 of that, I've semi-often been on the verge of quitting because I just can't take the frustration anymore. The band has improved a lot, is decent, plays out and people like us. However, the continual effort to drag the band up & along, particularly one person, is indeed draining and intermittently very frustrating. I'm the sole quality control just about always. They are friends, however, and so far mainly for that reason I've stuck with it.

This is the reason that I play in two bands (and I like to play more than each band does on its own). The caliber of players in the other band is awesome by comparison. As a whole, excellent play by this band comes SO much easier. I'm often pushed and challenged which I love. This band feels like driving a sports car on a nice curvy road where the other one feels like driving a mini-van on the same road.

Of course, being in WAY over your head is terrifying and not that great either. Although, I've been there too and nearly always the experience has benefited me tremendously.

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Tough one since the "equal" option is off the table.

I would go with worst so long as I could still deliver the goods for what the music needs.
I feel like I could contribute to the band in other areas and still be an asset.

That being said I think I would struggle emotionally if I was the weakest link in the band.
All of that jazz. Sums up my answer perfectly.
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Best.
I can do what it needs to make a crazy composition intelligible, as long as they play to what the drummer plays and not what they fancy the drummer would be playing if it was just a guy keeping time.
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Would you rather be in a band where you, as the drummer, were the best player or the worst player?? I would want to be equal is not an option for this quiz.
Best player.
You're a teacher too.
Along with being the best player you are also the leader.
Just like Buddy.
So yeah,the best player.
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:49 AM
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Depends on which Band.....lol.

I don't consider myself a "real" drummer so I guess I am lucky to be in any band.

Put me down for "worst". I can only go up from there I guess.

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Being the worst musician has its perks in say Dream Theater,
It would be like everybody has a musical IQ of 200 and yours is 196.
You're still better than 99.9 % of everybody else out there.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:00 AM
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Being the worst musician has its perks in say Dream Theater,
It would be like everybody has a musical IQ of 200 and yours is 196.
You're still better than 99.9 % of everybody else out there.
I am in this situation. The others in my band are incredibly talented musicians. I feel very lucky to be in the band, and love the challenges they give me. They have pushed me to be far better than I thought I could be.

I honestly beleive that while my drumming is very well received by the band, that if I didn't have the best voice (also the widest range), I would be pushed out.
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Old 03-19-2019, 05:10 AM
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For me I like to be the worst in the band because it pushes me to improve my drumming. The band I'm currently in, we're all about equals, which works well, but the out of left field ideas/riffs aren't as common when I'm the underdog.
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Old 03-19-2019, 05:57 AM
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Both.

Usually you only have time for one band (at least for non-professionals). You can learn in situations where everyone else is better than you. But it's also healthy to play with people on your own level. It also depends on what level you are. If you're experienced and have a place to practice regularly, you probably would rather take the opportunity that requires you to grow. If you're a beginner then you probably are not ready for a band. You're ready for that black piece of rubber, a music stand with Stick Control on it, and that hunk of a drummer who comes by once a week to show you how to hold your stick just right!!

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Old 03-19-2019, 05:59 AM
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I was the worst musician in a band for about four years and it was a blast. It upped my playing more than any other gig I’d had.

Keyboard player had a PhD in piano and played a 4-keyboard rig with ease.
Guitar player had 3 years of Berklee experience (had to drop out to care for family) and had gigged for 20+ years.
Bassist had 25 years experience on the road with many bands.
I was clearly the dullest pencil in the box.

The perks:
I could ask any question without shame and get an honest, clear answer.
Holding the tempo was very easy. These guys didn’t rush or drag once I clicked us in.
We played local festivals cuz they knew people.
We played only early sets in bars cuz we wanted a life the next day.
They helped me understand difficult passages and gave me pointers on how to approach them in my practices.

Eventually the keyboard player moved away when his wife relocated to a new hospital (she was a doctor). The guitar player went back to college and had no time for a gigging band.

Why’d they keep me in the band? I was always on time and had a shiny Tama kit. :D
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Old 03-19-2019, 05:59 AM
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Musicianshipwise, I've been both at various times in various bands. And what those experiences have taught me, is that it's way more important not to be the worst human being in the band.
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The bands that have been most fun and forced me to grow most have been the ones where all were better musicians than me. The most stressful and unfulfilling bands have been the ones I had to try and carry. Why I Always strive to get my parts down 100%, unless the musicians are better than me, they are always striving to dumb things down. It’s just not worth the effort.
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Old 03-19-2019, 02:50 PM
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I'm with Bert as long as the other musicians understand that I'm working and learning. In our worship band, the pianist and I are probably equally the best (and often do duos because of it). Sometimes it's hard dragging some of the others along. Unfortunately, a couple of them think they're great and do nothing to improve. Then I remind myself of why I'm there....
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Been on both ends of the spectrum and I'll happily take worst player in the band. I like a challenge.

Being around better players brings you up to their level and makes you raise your game. A good player (usually) doesn't have the ego because they know the hard work it takes to get good. I can happily sit in the pocket and lock in with any bassist whilst everyone else does their thang.

Being around bad players isn't all that inspiring or rewarding, carrying people isn't fun and there's usually bullshit involved. (Empty pipes make one hell of a racket!)

There's a difference between a musician and a player. I've seen musicians who have theory, licks, chops and shreds coming out of their ears but can't play shit!
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I'd rather be the worst player in the band. Being the best player is just too frustrating for me.
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I've tried to do that and it is difficult. You can drag people only so far, even if they are doing their best.

I play keys for a church now and I'm by far the best musician in the group and I'm not even that great of a keys player. In the end it is very draining.
Yup, I was getting ready to say, "I bet you've never played for a church, have you Bo?" It's a very romantic idea to "be the best drummer they ever had," and it's a very commendable attitude to have (I wish I had it more), but I've been playing in churches for over 20 years and let's just say that talent is rather "spotty" in a church praise band. I'm by no means the best musician out there, but if I'm the hottest player in the room, everyone else is going to have some major issues. Playing with people who struggle to "keep up" is an absolute drain. It's not any fun at all. Even if they are doing their best, much of the time they don't get any better because a.) they don't practice, b.) they just assume that the "good" musicians will cover them up, and c.) church is an easy audience, so who cares if it sucks?

I'm in the best praise band right now in probably a 200 mile radius, and there are still some serious areas that need improving. Right now I feel our problem is that now that we have good numbers every Sunday, we have a handful of members that are in it to "be seen" as opposed to serving. I hate it, but I do it for my family because they are involved as well, and I like playing with them. If they weren't on the team, I'd have quit a year or so ago.

Sorry for the digression! Now back to your regularly-scheduled program. :)

Yes, I'd rather play with people better than me.

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Old 03-19-2019, 06:21 PM
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I don't want to be the worst player in the band. I do however want someone in the band that I musically admire that I can learn something from.
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Neither. I want the drums to exist, but not be so crappy that it hurts the music. Nor do I want them to be so much better than the rest of the band that it becomes a problem. Put me in the middle anonymously. Let other people be the spotlight or hinderance. I just wanna show up, play, and go home.
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This might sound arrogant, but I'd rather be the worst player in the band, because I'm a solid drummer, and that would mean that the whole band would be tight and musically capable.
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100% Id like to be the worst player in the band and I honestly feel it is something I can accomplish. Feels good to win
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No choice for me, I'm always the worst player in the band.
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I changed my mind.
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Well, more answers than I expected, and most, very interesting. You have all qualified for the next philosophical question, as soon as I can think of a relavent one.
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WOW - very interesting question. It appears "worst" is the dominant response. I would not have suspected that. I would be too concerned about being dumped. Then again, I get the idea - who wants to play with a group of incompetents? I personal don't have to worry about this as I'm not in a band (and haven't been for a long time) but if I was I would most certainly be in that latter society of incompetents.

Thanks Grunter - good discussion. . . .
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Thanks. I didn't mention that no one should be fired, the band was the band.
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Man, I hate to say it, but I LOVE playing with people above my pay grade. I'm sure I annoy them a bit, but it feels so good when you can fully count on players to do what you expect and have the experience to really kill it.
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Playing with people who struggle to "keep up" is an absolute drain.
Yeah, but...

If someone spends a lot of time in that situation, I wonder if they don't learn to be the rock that everyone leans on (in more ways than one) and I wonder if that might not make them more valuable as a player when they get to play with more accomplished musicians.

Learning to get past being frustrated (and letting it show) when people can't "keep up", and being willing to help people out... isn't that attitude part of being a desirable band member?

(I'm just asking; I don't really know.)

Mind you, I'm not talking about people who are obstructionist, who won't lead, follow, or get out of the way. Those people are impossible. But that's a matter of personality, not musical ability.
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I don't have much choice, to be honest...
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Yeah, but...

If someone spends a lot of time in that situation, I wonder if they don't learn to be the rock that everyone leans on (in more ways than one) and I wonder if that might not make them more valuable as a player when they get to play with more accomplished musicians.

Learning to get past being frustrated (and letting it show) when people can't "keep up", and being willing to help people out... isn't that attitude part of being a desirable band member?

(I'm just asking; I don't really know.)

Mind you, I'm not talking about people who are obstructionist, who won't lead, follow, or get out of the way. Those people are impossible. But that's a matter of personality, not musical ability.
It takes a LOT more skill to carry a roomful of mediocre players, than to simply enjoy playing with really good ones. Unfortunately, usually you usually get paid a LOT less when you’re gigging with the mediocre players.
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I am NOT all that on a drum set, but I am far from terrible. So I would rather be the worst player in the band, which would mean we have a very good band.

I am quite lucky in our church band. Everyone who plays an instrument really knows how to play. That has not always been the case. Peace and goodwill.
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I don't see how members have answered when there is no level to the musicians. The OP is more loaded than then topic.
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Depends on the situation.

Do the 'better' bandmates need someone 'better' than me to do the songs?

Is there musical value (by my opinion) from the bandmates that are 'worse' than me?

No black/white answer in an environment that changes the question depending on details.
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