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Old 02-18-2019, 04:01 PM
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My 11 yo son is ready for an upgrade - at first I was just going to upgrade his cymbals and Hi-hat, but found this used set for $600 locally (probably negotiable).




Pearl EXR Special Edition Tiger Eye 2006

drum throne,
kick pedal,
snare stand,
hi hat stand,
2 pearl boom stands,
zildjian zbt 14" hi hat cymbals,
1 zildjian 14" zbt crash,
1 zildjian zht medium 20" ride cymbal.

22x18 Bass Drum
14x5.5 Matching Snare Drum
12x9 Mounted Tom
14x14 Floor Tom
16x16 Floor Tom

I am a musician but not a drummer, but this seems like a good deal including cymbals and hardware. Any thoughts? Any suggestions? Thanks so much for your time.

He has used this "mini" beginner set for two years, which we bought just to gauge interest, and he is now playing in school band, takes lessons, practices without being asked, etc.

https://www.guitarcenter.com/Sound-P...oaAgUzEALw_wcB


What if I were able to get the Pearl set for closer to $400? What's a good price?

If anyone has time/inclination to post what you think is "good deal" on ebay, maybe I could look for similar sets? I know this is not a professional set, but I at least want to get him something full sized and that will hopefully last him through High School. Since he's been playing on a real set at his drum lessons, he now has "seen the light" and knows what a good set sounds and feels like.

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Old 02-18-2019, 04:04 PM
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My 11 yo son is ready for an upgrade - at first I was just going to upgrade his cymbals and Hi-hat, but found this used set for $600 locally.

https://reverb.com/item/7604967-pear...tiger-eye-2006

Pearl EXR Special Edition Tiger Eye 2006

I am a musician but not a drummer, but this seems like a good deal including cymbals and hardware. Any thoughts? Any suggestions? Thanks so much for your time.

Joe
What does he have now? If it is that exact kit and those exact cymbals and hardware for $600, that isn't really that great of a deal and depending on what he has now, it might be a lateral move if not a downgrade.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:10 PM
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I think you are doing the right thing for looking at used equipment!

Keep your eyes open for someone who is looking to get rid of everything all at once. Usually the more they package together, the more you can save.
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Heres what it comes with:

drum throne, kick pedal, snare stand, hi hat stand, 2 pearl boom stands, zildjian zbt 14" hi hat cymbals, 1 zildjian 14" zbt crash, 1 zildjian zht medium 20" ride cymbal.


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14x5.5 Matching Snare Drum
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14x14 Floor Tom
16x16 Floor Tom
$600 is a bit much, $400 is a fair deal, but you can probably find better.

The drums will be a bit of an upgrade to what he's got now, at least sizes will be more standard. The cymbals will be an upgrade, but you are still talking about pretty cheap cymbals though a huge step up from the ones he has. The hardware is probably where the big upgrade is going to be.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:25 PM
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If anyone has time/inclination to post what you think is "good deal" on ebay, maybe I could look for similar sets? I know this is not a professional set, but I at least want to get him something full sized and that will hopefully last him through High School. Since he's been playing on a real set at his drum lessons, he now has "seen the light" and knows what a good set sounds and feels like.

Thanks!
The problem is it very much depends on the individual components of what the thing is coming with. For example, I see all the time around here on cragislist basically a standard 5 piece kit with hardware and the standard ZBT/B8 cymbals for around $300-350.
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Old 02-18-2019, 04:32 PM
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Is something like this much better for about the same $?

https://baltimore.craigslist.org/msg...796896738.html

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Old 02-18-2019, 04:54 PM
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Is something like this much better for about the same $?

https://baltimore.craigslist.org/msg...796896738.html

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Both of those are decent deals. What is his current kit? Cheaper drums are easier to make sound a little better with heads but cheap cymbals are as is.
So unless his drums are falling apart I'd return to your original idea to replace his cymbals and stay away from 'zbt' and entry levels.
Nice used cymbals - Zildjian A, Sabian AA, AAX... are allover most c/list sites - hats, ride and a crash and he is set for another few years. As you've seen, it will be easier to buy a kit without any cymbals.
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Do not buy ZBT, ZHT or any supposedly "student" level cymbals. The best thing a new drummer can do is have real b20 cymbals. The student ones actually hold people back in both playing and technique.

I'd say forget the kit replacement, and buy a set of standard Zildjian A's.
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I think the Pearl is about right with negotiation, but indeed much better than the SPL, and still some room to gauge interest still at 11. More drums, more versatile. Say hello to my home town of Catonsville
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Do not buy ZBT, ZHT or any supposedly "student" level cymbals. The best thing a new drummer can do is have real b20 cymbals. The student ones actually hold people back in both playing and technique.
Real cymbals don't have to only be B20, I and a lot of others happen to enjoy our B8 Paiste pro level cymbals very much.
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Old 02-18-2019, 07:49 PM
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Your getting a lot in that package for $600. The cymbals are not great sounding but they're not the worst by any means. It's a very durable and decent sounding kit that will work well for years. If you can get the price down from $600 that makes it a great deal.
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Old 02-18-2019, 08:53 PM
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There are a lot worse kits than Pearl Exports. Plus, that color wrap looks cool! Your 11 year old would love it!

$400 - $450 with hardware and cymbals is a pretty good deal. Export shell packs go for around $300 - $350 around here, and we're talking about real plain colors in 2 up - 1 down version.
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:04 PM
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That's a decent deal. If you can bargain down a bit, all the better.
The drums are way better than his current kit, and I'm sure the cymbals are a step or several up from what came with that kit.
While they're not pro level cymbals, they should hold him until he starts working, and decides if he wants to upgrade.
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Absolutely LOVE those wraps. Really cool. I'd a loved that for sure when I was 12. Definitely get them down a bit.

As far as the cymbals, you can always upgrade in a few years.
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Old 02-18-2019, 09:24 PM
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Offer $400 for everything. If you can get them for $500 do it. I agree with upgrading the cymbals later. There is a reason Exports are the best selling drums of all time.
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..Real cymbals don't have to only be B20, I and a lot of others happen to enjoy our B8 Paiste pro level cymbals very much..

Lol..yes..

I personally also never thought about the 2002-series or Giant Beat-series or even the Signature-series (which is also not B20..) as being amateur cymbals or some other sort of low-level..
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Thanks guys, a bit more info -

The set he has now is admittedly just a step up from a toy regarding sound, I think I could make a pie plate sound better than the cymbals that came with it, but it did serve its purpose. Getting super nice cymbals to go with current set seems like overkill. But then again I admit I know next to nothing about cymbals.

I am sure I can get the Pearl set for $450. I am just looking to get him a full size set with semi-decent cymbals for now. Anything would be an upgrade over what he has.
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Old 02-18-2019, 10:54 PM
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Thanks guys, a bit more info -

The set he has now is admittedly just a step up from a toy regarding sound, I think I could make a pie plate sound better than the cymbals that came with it, but it did serve its purpose. Getting super nice cymbals to go with current set seems like overkill.

I am sure I can get the Pearl set for $450. I am just looking to get him a full size set with semi-decent cymbals for now. Anything would be an upgrade over what he has.
Get some really good hats and a good crash. Worry about the ride later.
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Old 02-18-2019, 11:33 PM
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[quote=JpeBD;1619469]Thanks guys, a bit more info -

The set he has now is admittedly just a step up from a toy regarding sound, I think I could make a pie plate sound better than the cymbals that came with it, but it did serve its purpose. Getting super nice cymbals to go with current set seems like overkill. But then again I admit I know next to nothing about cymbals.

I am sure I can get the Pearl set for $450. I am just looking to get him a full size set with semi-decent cymbals for now. Anything would be an upgrade over what he has.[/QUOTE

One thought...be sure he is practicing with hearing protection. If so the cymbals will sound fine to him.
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I am sure I can get the Pearl set for $450. I am just looking to get him a full size set with semi-decent cymbals for now. Anything would be an upgrade over what he has.
$450 is a great deal go for it.
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I'm a big proponent of getting the correct drum sizes based on the genre of music and physical stature of the drummer. If he's only playing rock, then larger drums like the Pearl and Yamaha kits you posted (or even larger sizes) would be good, IF he's tall enough to set them up and play them comfortably. Otherwise, I'd look for something with a 20" bass drum. However if he's playing jazz, I'd recommend a kit with an 18 or 20" bass drum, regardless of your son's stature. If he plays rock and jazz, kits with a 20" kick seem to work well.

But as others have said, you can make any drum sound better through heads and tuning, but there isn't much you can do to make a bad sounding cymbal sound good. So good cymbals are always a great investment. That said, the cheapest cymbals that sound at least decent to my ears are the Zildjian S family. They're kind of like "high-end budget cymbals", and they sound pretty good for the price (and this is coming from someone who only plays high-end Zildjian Ks).

I wouldn't bother with ZBTs, B8s or other low-end cymbals, because they really sound terrible and are just extraordinarily unmusical.
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I am sure I can get the Pearl set for $450. I am just looking to get him a full size set with semi-decent cymbals for now. Anything would be an upgrade over what he has.
The SPL kit has probably really horrid cymbals. 10" hats and a 12" ride/crash (so states the link). The Pearl will be a wonderful upgrade. Even the ZHT/ZBT cymbals will be quite an improvement over what he has now. $450 is a good deal .... and upgrade his cymbals again, down the road, as deemed necessary.
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:23 AM
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I did a quick browse and this could also be good if your son is tall enough and likes Rock music (and the looks of the set): https://baltimore.craigslist.org/msg...815305084.html


You can't see everything but the cymbals you can see are very good - if they have no cracks they alone nearly make this a good deal. The seller is a drummer, so I'd just ask if there's anything missing or defunct (tom mounts, shells, hardware, cymbals...). There are more drums than you probably need, so you can source some missing parts from an extra drum.

That's why minor problems shouldn't stop you from getting it if the sets checks every other box. Plus, the drum heads still look playable -with some other cheap deals, you need to replace the heads soon and easily end up spending another $100.

You could either sell off two to three drums and get up to $200 back or just sell one Bass Drum and turn the 18" Floor Tom into a convertible Bass Drum (if he's not tall enough now or for a small gig / Jazz set in a few years). This could also make for some nice handicraft work with your son.
Lots of advice on such projects on a budget: http://www.compactdrums.com/
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Old 02-19-2019, 12:32 PM
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If everything is mint to excellent condition, the asking price might be fine.

The cymbals can be parted out for at least $100-120 as a set. Hardware really depends on what is offered.

Id say $500 is safe assuming very good~ condition.
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Old 02-19-2019, 04:34 PM
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Personally, I think that particular wrap is hideous. With that said, at $450-$500, it's a decent deal on a good bit of gear. Pearl Export kits from that time-frame were great sounding, well made drums - not "pro-level" mind you, but there were sure a lot of people gigging them all over the place, for what that's worth.

The cymbals are pretty "eh" - ZBTs and ZHTs are all entry/mid level cymbals, but likely way better than what your son has with his current setup.

I wonder what the hardware is. My guess is that the hardware is likely Pearl 800 series hardware from the same 2006 time-frame, and that stuff is some of my favorite stuff. I bought a Pearl 800 series snare stand in 2003. It has been set up and taken down hundreds of times in my endeavors as a praise and worship drummer over the years, and it's still going strong. Same thing with a couple of other pieces of gear I got in early 2004 - hi-hat stand and some boom stands.

Let's look at it this way - if you were to have bought all of that gear brand new in 2006, it would have cost you more than $1,000 between the drums, the hardware and the cymbals. If you can get it for $500 or less, my recommendation is to grab it. Again, I'm not hip on the color, but an 11-year old kid is probably going to love it.

Curious - are you in the Baltimore area?
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Old 02-19-2019, 04:58 PM
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Since you're a musician: Do you know a drummer that could join you when looking at a set? We can recommend different sets all day but that's pretty useless if nobody is selling that type of set locally. Then, there's some variation within sets with the same name (for example, a Yamaha Stage Custom from last year for $200 is a steal, if it's twenty years old not so much).

Even if you find a certain set that's been recommended, the condition is very important and nearly impossible to gauge by a non-drummer (What do I need to check? Is a missing part a huge problem or can it be replaced easily? What are the additional costs to do so? etc)

The set I posted above seems to have very nice cymbals (Avedis and older Sabians of similar quality) but it could be that the Hi Hat is from a cheaper series. That's where a drummer friend really comes in handy. If the cymbals are not cracked and your son likes the set, I'd buy it in a heart beat, especially since there are extra drums for replacement parts. Pearls are nice sets to buy used because they've built thousands of sets and therefore you can always get replacement parts for cheap.
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I really appreciate everyone here and all of the information given.

So I actually went to a music store today and played some of the ZBT's and compared them to the Zildjan "S" as TK-421 recommended as a "high-end budget cymbal", and guess what? The difference is quite astonishing. The ZBT's sounded like a larger version of what came with his SPL beginner set (pretty one dimensional with no "ring"), the "S" sounded much closer the "A" version. He practices all the time, and selfishly I'd much rather hear the "S" cymbals coming from his room that the ZBT's. And I'm sure he would as well.

As to what TK said about what kind of music he wants to play vs. size of bass drum... well, he's 11, so I don't think he really knows yet. I spent a good amount of time producing music in New Orleans and would love for him to be a versatile drummer who can play modern jazz, Dixieland, zydeco, Rock, Swing, etc. So at this point I'm thinking 20 or 22 bass drum as suggested. He's not going to be gigging anytime soon, so I think we have awhile on that score.

Swissward I appreciate your suggestions as well and TrickG I appreciate you and everyone else's great advice. I am actually in the Harrisburg, PA area.

So, after all this, I think I am going to pass on the Pearl set, as I would most likely turn around and buy new cymbals anyway. I'll be on the lookout for a set with nicer cymbals, or cymbals by themselves and pick up a set later.

Also, I thought the one tom and two floor toms was an odd configuration for a beginner set - anyone have thoughts on that?

Thanks to everyone, I'll for sure post again in this thread if I need some advice.

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Just a FYI....That original Tiger Eye Pearl set is now listed at $450. Offer him $400 and he'd take it. Then upgrade some of the cymbals, mainly crash and hats.
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Reading through this thread, I hope my daughter takes up the drums. It would be so much fun to teach her the ins and outs of gear hunting and assemble a kit for her as she grew up.
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The Pearl kit looks to me in good condition, and it includes stands and cymbals. I'd show the ad to your son and ask him if he likes it, if you should buy it. USA $ 600 seems to me a reasonable price for everything listed, and if you could negotiate $ 450 that would be a good deal.

I think ZBT cymbals are good to have, in the sense that taking expensive cymbals to jam sessions is risky.
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Simple:

- The Pearl kit is now listed for $400. Go get it - QUICK.

- With the money saved, start looking for USED common professional level cymbals, in this order:
-Hi Hat cymbals: 14" Zildjian "A" set, New Beat/Quick Beat/etc. $125 pr.
-Ride Cymbal: 20 or 21" Zildjian "A", $125 each
-Crash Cymbal: 18" Zildjian "A" Thin or Med/Thin Crash $100

- Pearl Exports like the ones that you are going to buy, are very good and decent drum sets. Heck, there are a bunch of "Professionals" that still use Exports as their gigging sets. That says something about the drum's reliability.

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Pretty rad that you're able and willing to get a new kit for your son.



Quick question: I realize he's still quite young, but is your son involved in this process, or are you planning this as a surprise? He should appreciate what you're doing no matter what, but he may have a very different idea of what he wants for his first real kit, and it could be educational to get him involved in the process.
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Also, I thought the one tom and two floor toms was an odd configuration for a beginner set - anyone have thoughts on that?

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I actually like a 1-up 2-down configuration, as having a single rack tom allows you to bring in the ride cymbal closer, making it more comfortable to play.

Another alternative is a 2-up configuration, where the toms are "offset" to allow the ride to come in closer. Below is one of my kits, which I have set up this way, with 10 and 12" offset rack toms, plus 14 and 16" floor toms and a 22" bass drum. So this is essentially the same setup as the Pearl kit in the OP, but with the addition of a 10" tom.
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Wow well your son is well on his way-kudos to you for being so supportive. My two cents I think your 11 year old son would love this kit!! As Doc Watso stated those Zil ZBT and ZHT are some crap cymbals-the hi hats aren't too bad he can work with those but others I'd try putting some rivets in that 14 in crash and 20 in ride-easy addition and anything will make them sound better (I added them to a ZBT 14 in crash and it did improve). But just as is your son will flip I bet. Really nice to be so supportive of his musical interest again.
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I'll be on the lookout for a set with nicer cymbals, or cymbals by themselves and pick up a set later.
Maybe you can have a look at this set in person (no photos unfortunately): a set of Avedis cymbals in 14-16-18-20 is about as good as you can get if you're looking for a versatile cymbal set. No idea about the drums but they are by Pearl, so they could be decent at least. Or you could try making an offer for just the cymbals.

When you buy used cymbals, watch out for cracks! They mostly appear near the center hole or along the edges but there can also be cracks along the grooves which are sometimes hard to spot. Take a mallet (or a felt bass drum beater if you don't have one) with you and play a crescendo across the cymbal surface - if there is a hidden crack, you might be able to hear it when the wash doesn't build up cleanly.



https://baltimore.craigslist.org/msg...807837984.html


Zildjian A Series Cymbals & Pearl drums - $500 (White Hall, MD)



(1) 20" ride
(1) 18" medium thin crash
(1) 16" crash
(1) pair new beat hi-hat

These cymbals are in excellent shape. If you buy these cymbals, you will get a (5) piece Pearl drum set, with cymbal stands, a drum throne, hi hat stand, base pedal, and some miscellaneous, included.
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My son is involved - if it were a more basic wrap or laminate or a color I'd know he'd like, I'd make it surprise for his Bday, but since these are unique, he knows about and likes them.

The seller is VERY nice - he actually took some real pics at my request (the others he just grabbed from the web). I won't be able to bring a drummer with me, so if you guys would be my eyes, I'd appreciate it very much - any red flags here? Anything glaring that looks out of place? Can you tell by looking if heads would immediately need to be replaced? Hardware is decent?

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Just add some more to this thread, the seller also has this set as well - and as a bonus, here is the set I got my son two years ago for Christmas, custom bass drum head from Vintagelogos. Do you get the feeling I really want him to enjoy playing???


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Wow looks like original heads and hardly played. It's ready to go-you could improve cymbals later, you could replace the ISS mount on tom to a optimount, and many replace those heads that come on kit but I wouldn't bother with any of that and let him enjoy it as is. The only thing I'd do is put two or three rivets in that 14 in crash-easy peasy.
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The only thing to worry about slightly are the bearing edges. The part of the shell that touches the heads. The heads shown look like the original Pearl heads, so I doubt if the heads have ever been off. Tune one of the floor toms and give it a wack. You can probaly tell.
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Thereís some decent HW/throne, etc. in the set and if he likes the color and set up, then I think the price is fine. Definitely an upgrade. Donít see any cymbals in the old setup, so Iíd have to say the ZBTs are a definite upgrade as well. They sure beat my first setup!

He could play on those a couple of years and upgrade if he wants. Heíll want different things as he gets older and learns more with time. With used kits itís about keeping them in great condition, so you donít lose too much in the transaction. This set seems to fit the bill just right.

Come Christmas time, retailers go nuts with promoting cymbal sets and you may be able to get a boxed set of Zildjian As or equivalent for around $500. Heck they probably have those now! Thatíd be a huge upgrade to the ZBTs and cymbals you can keep around.

So far as bearing edges are concerned, I found that smaller drums are far more sensitive to being off. If anything isnít going to tune, itíll be those. Also, without some tuning experience, itís just going to be impossible to tell if something is off. Some of us have been playing for decades and canít tune without tuning aids to save our lives,

Best way to tell if edges are straight is to pull off the heads and set them on a flat surface like a granite countertop and shine a flashlight from the inside to see if light leaks past. Doubt youíll get the opportunity to go that far, so probably just a simple visual will have to do.

Best of all, itís great you are supporting his playing. Drums are loud and obnoxious to those around, so most parents I know get their kids a ukulele or a new video game when they ask for drums. Support for drumming is rare. Heís lucky.
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Just add some more to this thread, the seller also has this set as well - and as a bonus, here is the set I got my son two years ago for Christmas, custom bass drum head from Vintagelogos. Do you get the feeling I really want him to enjoy playing???

Is he selling the Vision kit? That would really be the scoop if he is.

If the price is down to $400, that's a great price for all of that stuff, and well worth it - true, it doesn't come with optimal cymbals, but those can always be upgraded piecemeal, a cymbal at a time, and you can do it on the cheap by finding quality used cymbals. As an example, I just picked up a set of Zildjian New Beat hi-hats for $150 that are practically brand new. Those sell new for $300+. They were a little dirty with some tarnish spots on them, but a careful scrub off with Barkeeper's Friend, and they look basically brand new, and they sound fantastic.
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