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Old 04-13-2019, 05:42 PM
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1. Most "vintage" drums were poorly made compared to modern manufacturing standards.
2. The type wood used to make the drums matters much less than quality of manufacture, selection of heads and tuning.
3. Drums made in China or Taiwan in ISO 9000 certified plants are better than their USA counterparts.
4. Most "Vintage" hardware is crap.

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Old 04-13-2019, 05:52 PM
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Fewer and fewer drummers are playing with power and finesse.
Thankfully, over the last 15 years of so, the opposite is true of metal metal drummers.

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Old 04-13-2019, 09:47 PM
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Hmmm.

1. Jazz trained drummers are a notch or two better than the field. It just imparts a superior way of seeing percussion.

2. K. Zildjian AND A. Zildjian K cymbals are overrated

3. No cymbal made after 1980 ranks above just “good”.
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Old 04-13-2019, 10:43 PM
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How about your popular opinions? What's up with the negative content.?
Because it would be unrealistic and dishonest if we were positive all the time. I think a sign of a good forum is that people are allowed to express what doesn't do it for them in an honest and respectful way. Having discussions like these allows us to understand eachother more and figure out why things work for some people and not for others.
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Old 04-13-2019, 11:15 PM
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These I believe are overrated:
(Runs and hides with the others)

Roland V drums sound and feel like real drums

Pitch matched stick - worked at a music store and the amount of time wood smiths spent sitting at the stick bin matching, eyeing, and chopping for feel when the sticks are going home to be splintered to hell, does pitch match matter then?

Sonically matched cymbals by the vault experts (oh yea and Weckl and Portnoy) who have spent all day with their heads plugged up so their ears don’t get damaged by the machinery.
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Old 04-13-2019, 11:20 PM
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I don't understand how and why Buddy Rich was considered a 'musical' player and never will.
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Old 04-14-2019, 01:22 AM
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Rim shots only sound good on tape. No one wants to hear them in person.

Same for metal snares.

All musicians can be drummers, not all drummers can be musicians. Same holds true for all musical instrument players.

The new Sabian logo and marketing campaign will revolutionize the music industry.
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Old 04-14-2019, 01:39 AM
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The new Sabian logo and marketing campaign will revolutionize the music industry.


Ok, THAT made me laugh.
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Old 04-14-2019, 02:08 AM
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Roar in '74 is Buddy's best drumming

I am WAY out of my league on this forum

I think drumming is more important than relationships
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Old 04-14-2019, 03:10 AM
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..I'm in the camp that thinks drummers are not musicians..

Thats allowed and this thread is ofcourse meant to be a little provocative, but if, lets say, Brian Blade (among many others ofcourse) stood in front of you, would you also tell him that in his face..?

This is allready the second time in a few days that i read such a thing and thats basically the only comment that annoys me a little..

Not enough to be upset or offended btw, but i am just not getting that and after your 'explanation' the statement to me makes even less sense..
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Old 04-14-2019, 03:36 AM
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I don't understand how and why Buddy Rich was considered a 'musical' player and never will.
He COULD play musically and blend when he wanted to. He just would rather lead his own band and drum like it’s a combat sport. LOL 😝
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Old 04-14-2019, 07:07 AM
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I don't understand how and why Buddy Rich was considered a 'musical' player and never will.
Buddy Rich doesn't care what you think. And most of these opinions on this thread are inexperienced claptrap.https://youtu.be/ePpMRuGslVo
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Old 04-14-2019, 08:05 AM
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Crossing over to play the hi-hats is ridiculous.

DW double pedal drive shafts are the worst piece of drumming hardware in existence.

Remo has atrocious quality control. (Not an opinion)
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Old 04-14-2019, 06:14 PM
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1. Learning to tune the drum you have will likely provide a better sound than upgrading to higher quality drum without investing in your tuning skills.

2. Investing in quality room acoustic treatment (not just cheap foam) can have a far greater effect on the quality of sound than investing in drums above a certain level.

3. Price tag does not necessarily dictate quality or value.
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Old 04-14-2019, 06:33 PM
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I'm in the camp that thinks drummers are not musicians.
Ha. Reminds me of something I heard a bandleader say during a rehearsal of a vocal-harmony-based group:

"OK, now let me hear just the instruments and the drums."
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Old 04-14-2019, 08:21 PM
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Roar in '74 is Buddy's best drumming

I am WAY out of my league on this forum

I think drumming is more important than relationships

What is relationships? Sorry Id google it but Im busy drumming.
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:11 PM
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Relationships?!? Put me in the camp that thinks our ships don’t need no more lations!
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Old 04-14-2019, 11:29 PM
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Fully ridiculous notion, now I can see how he bent his drum ; ) Clearly less lations is the answer.
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:31 AM
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Keith Moon is over rated.
I can't testify to his "rating", & it's largely irrelevant anyhow, as he certainly has quite a place in drumming history. As for his playing, I don't care especially for his style, but have you ever tried playing a Keith Moon drum part verbatim? It's tough to do - mostly because his choices defy convention, but there's no denying it's a difficult style to pull off convincingly.
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Old 04-15-2019, 12:44 AM
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Fully ridiculous notion, now I can see how he bent his drum ; ) Clearly less lations is the answer.
Too many lations.

Don't want ships either.
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Old 04-15-2019, 01:59 AM
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#2. Drums are far easier to play than stringed instruments or keyboards.


Not to master, but to play. At the master level, all things seem equally unobtainable to me :)
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Old 04-15-2019, 02:21 AM
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I don't understand how and why Buddy Rich was considered a 'musical' player and never will.
Krupa > Rich.

I know, not very popular, but tis my opinion.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:29 AM
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Morello > Rich.

202020202020
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:46 AM
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Modern Ludwig drums aren't that great.

Zildjian released more bad cymbals than good in the past 30 years.

Sabian's rebranding is a blip, if you don't like it, you're too old ;P
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:58 AM
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I think Keith Moon was a great drummer.

Made in the USA ain't all it's cracked up to be.

There is no such animal when talking about the "the best" drummer.

I'll play matched grip and you'll have to deal with it.

Some people are great rock drummers and some are great at jazz. One isn't necessarily better than the other. Very few people are great at both.

Most high end drums don't require double ply heads to sound good.

Pearl tom mounts look like my shower head.

I think Alpi veneers look great and they're easier to match when adding on drums.

I hate hardware from the 60's/70's

I could easily get by with a Gretsch Renown as my only kit.
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:52 AM
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Morello > Rich.

202020202020

Yup. Agreed. Joe was THE man.
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Old 04-15-2019, 03:28 PM
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Being completely self-taught is a waste of time.
I guess I need to go tell the four bands I'm currently playing in that I'm actually self-taught and that I just wasted my time. ;)

To be honest, I would have loved to have had drum lessons. Even after 25 years of playing, I'd love to go over some stuff with some pros.


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Roland V drums sound and feel like real drums.
I feel like I'm playing a full set of snare drums. V Drums CAN sound good, but the amount of "dialing in" that has to happen in order for the drums to be suited to just one player takes too much time. In addition, this does no good if you play a wide variety of music.
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Ok, I'm going to throw a big flame out there:


Nickelback is not a bad band. They just play bad songs.
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Old 04-15-2019, 05:53 PM
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Stylistically- I like Palmer better than Blaine.
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Ok, I'm going to throw a big flame out there:


Nickelback is not a bad band. They just play bad songs.
I agree maybe commercialized.
Nickel backs 1st album was actually raw and thirsty. It’s when they hit it big and became “rockstars” that the let down or backlash phase ensued, with them unfortunately, it just stuck.
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Old 04-15-2019, 06:08 PM
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People telling that you need to do something this or that way or you should not use this or that product.
If it works for you, what's the problem?
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Old 04-15-2019, 07:54 PM
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Stylistically- I like Palmer better than Blaine.
Earl or Carl? I assume Earl, right?
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:14 PM
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Earl or Carl? I assume Earl, right?
Correct Earl Palmer.
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Old 04-15-2019, 08:16 PM
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As in the bass world the sound guy will destroy and make null and void the tons of cash you invested in your kit.
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As in the bass world the sound guy will destroy and make null and void the tons of cash you invested in your kit.
Unpopular but true. Always enjoy only hearing loud hi hats and nothing else.
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Unpopular but true. Always enjoy only hearing loud hi hats and nothing else.
I wonder how many of us could get away with mixing our own and feeding it to the sound guy like Weckl does. You can't possible tell me it'd be worse? Well, maybe no volume at all, so no hi hats either?
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Old 04-16-2019, 03:13 AM
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Krupa > Rich.

I know, not very popular, but tis my opinion.
I tend to agree. Ed Shaughnessy as well. I think they got more out of the whole kit than Buddy. Buddy was the snare master.
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Old 04-16-2019, 03:28 AM
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I forgot one. Rogers drums are HIGHLY overrated. Only rich kids had them in the 60's. I can make almost any decent kit sound as good or better than any Rogers kit.
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Old 04-16-2019, 09:31 AM
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I forgot one. Rogers drums are HIGHLY overrated. Only rich kids had them in the 60's. I can make almost any decent kit sound as good or better than any Rogers kit.
Tell that to Steve Maxwell...
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Keith Moon is over rated.

You don't need a fancy drum seat
What if it enables you to practice for longer than you otherwise would be able to because of back pain?
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