TK-421
Senior Member
Wow. Is there anything you actually like about drums? Maybe you should quit drumming. Or see a shrink.
Your honest critique...
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Trigger
Senior Member
They are ugly for starters; I don't see how that's illogical as aesthetics are a huge part of the reason people purchase instruments. Also, they're overly heavy and not as easy to adjust as ball mounts, and they way they are mounted on pearls bass drum (going through the shell) is pretty outdated.
Trigger
Senior Member
I actually agree with everything you've said haha.
Cmdr. Ross
Silver Member
MrInsanePolack
Platinum Member
Most bass drum tom mounts go through the shell. That isnt just a Pearl thing.
A tom arm only weighs a pound or so. I dont feel that is overly heavy.
The tom arms have been around for close to 50 years. They work just fine. If they didnt, Pearl would have changed it by now.
I can take a 70s Pearl kit and use brand new pipe arms with it. Across the board. Cant do that with too many (if any) other manufacturers. There is something to be said about consistency.
TK-421
Senior Member
Here's a thought that would make Pearl's tom arms much more palatable. For bass drum mounted toms, instead of having two separate tom arms coming out of the bass drum, they should adapt their double tom stand approach where a single post leads to a platform where smaller tom arms attach. It would look something like this (excuse the rough Photoshop).
Rattlin' Bones
Gold Member
brushes
Well-known member
THIS would be much better IMO, not only in terms of looks but also functionality, as the whole section could be spun around easily when adjusting the tom placement.
Oh and talking of Pearl, I wish they would bring back the older Masters badge, which looked really nice. Much more classy than the current logo.
Fritz Frigursson
Senior Member
Mapex would be a bit more appealing to more people if they introduced more normal finishes, straightened up their lineup with some normal names and redid their suspension mount. They should put an updated armory tom mount on their Saturn line because the new one gets in the way of the badge and Mapex put the badge offset and under the mounting arm... horrible look. I think Mapex is more in their "teenage phase" and trying to appeal to the younger crowd but even then, many younger drummers don't only care for flashy stuff.
Pearl could update its suspension system and put a ball joint, also streamline the lineup. Export, Masters, Reference and Masterworks should cover all bases. New finishes also, a refresh once in a while doesn't hurt.
Yamaha is probably the only big manufacturer that drills their shells to mount the tom mount, and it works wonderfully, so the dogma of other brands of "nothing should penetrate the shell" isn't really true. I think drum manufacturers should stop worrying about suspension systems and look elsewhere for marginal gains, because really nobody is asking for more sustain.
I like what Ludwig and Gretsch are doing, making modern versions of classic drums, because we should all remember our history and not only focus on modern drums. Although they could price things differently and not live on the "we made a ****ton of drums in the sixties" high. More finishes to their lower end lines like the Neusonic and Breakbeats would be nice, maybe bring some of those famous finishes down to lower levels? I think Gretsch is skimping a bit with the Catalina snare with allegedly no snare bed (????).
Could Slingerland come back and make classic drums that compete with Ludwig and Gretsch? I hope so.
Tama makes good drums but they also have to take in consideration that not everyone wants die casts on their toms. I'd like to see some sets with 2.3mm flanged hoops. They also have Mapex's problem of uninspiring and flashy drum finishes; just give us a couple classic lacquer and sparkle finishes please. I don't know who would buy your neon green oyster Starclassic W/B, do you?
DW is great since they push innovation and other brands copy some of their ideas, meaning more variety in the market which is always great. Although some of their ideas are kinda crazy... and not to mention their prices. But I get their gist. Some complain about their lugs but I don't really find them too bad. Love their pedals. I think their downsides are finishes and options in the lower end. The performer line hasn't been updated for a few years which is a shame, and their Design series has like 3 finishes in total..
Then we have Edrums and I have a LOT to say about them but I would be going out of topic.
Pearl could update its suspension system and put a ball joint, also streamline the lineup. Export, Masters, Reference and Masterworks should cover all bases. New finishes also, a refresh once in a while doesn't hurt.
Yamaha is probably the only big manufacturer that drills their shells to mount the tom mount, and it works wonderfully, so the dogma of other brands of "nothing should penetrate the shell" isn't really true. I think drum manufacturers should stop worrying about suspension systems and look elsewhere for marginal gains, because really nobody is asking for more sustain.
I like what Ludwig and Gretsch are doing, making modern versions of classic drums, because we should all remember our history and not only focus on modern drums. Although they could price things differently and not live on the "we made a ****ton of drums in the sixties" high. More finishes to their lower end lines like the Neusonic and Breakbeats would be nice, maybe bring some of those famous finishes down to lower levels? I think Gretsch is skimping a bit with the Catalina snare with allegedly no snare bed (????).
Could Slingerland come back and make classic drums that compete with Ludwig and Gretsch? I hope so.
Tama makes good drums but they also have to take in consideration that not everyone wants die casts on their toms. I'd like to see some sets with 2.3mm flanged hoops. They also have Mapex's problem of uninspiring and flashy drum finishes; just give us a couple classic lacquer and sparkle finishes please. I don't know who would buy your neon green oyster Starclassic W/B, do you?
DW is great since they push innovation and other brands copy some of their ideas, meaning more variety in the market which is always great. Although some of their ideas are kinda crazy... and not to mention their prices. But I get their gist. Some complain about their lugs but I don't really find them too bad. Love their pedals. I think their downsides are finishes and options in the lower end. The performer line hasn't been updated for a few years which is a shame, and their Design series has like 3 finishes in total..
Then we have Edrums and I have a LOT to say about them but I would be going out of topic.
Swissward Flamtacles
Member
Might be a ploy to sell more moon gel.. #MoonGelHoax
I guess companies need to come up with something every year to keep up with the rest of the competition. So they create some desire / perceived need for different woods, constructions and what not. It kind of works as they are still in business..
How often do we see threads by beginners that can't read basic rhythms or who don't know how to tune but they are already asking about new suspension systems, how maple adds warmth and how wraps kill resonance?
I don't fault companies for not telling people that they probably don't NEED most of it and I don't want companies to go out of business, but I'd prefer it if people just bought used gear and invest their savings into lessons. Of course everybody can buy new and shiny gear and some people probably need it but that target group isn't large enough to keep companies going. (Rant over)
brushes
Well-known member
When was the last time that DW came up with real innovations? Must have been in my youth... I really just cannot remember them being innovative since years. Also, their drums seem to be less and less competetive lately. In this video e.g. the Sonor Vintage makes DW look really bad.
I don't know if it is really nobody, but you are basically right. Some drums even resonante way too much these days, so that you have to add muffling. Ouch.
There are drumsets that don't have diecast hoops, e.g. the Superstar Classic and the SLP drumsets (The diecast-hoopss Tama makes are btw. lighter than those of other drummakers), but the top-drumsets, yeah, it would be nice if there would be such an option. But then, they would have to change the mounting system. Ugh!
And the finishes, yes, they have some brilliant ones but also some that are outright
(neon and all those crazy fades to be precise). But at least they offer piano black and piano white on most series again. What they miss is some great classy glitter finishes like Pearl had some time ago.
PEARL MASTERS BCX BIRCH 7 PIECE DRUM KIT, GOLDEN BRONZE GLITTER (PRE-LOVED)
This is so much drum kit for such a great price and what a colour!! A totally Pro 'Made in Taiwan' Masters Birch Series kit with all the usual high end features and a very versatile range of sizes perfect for any genre! The Pearl Masters BCX feature the same famous Shell as offered on the famous...
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Trigger
Senior Member
Mapex don't, sonor don't, yamaha don't (i think?) DW doesn't, Some ludwig ones don't.
The large ones are way bigger and bulkier than a ball mount.
Yes. And that's why I don't like them, because they havent changed them and every other company has lol.
Yeah consistency is good if you're sticking with something that is still better than whatever is new, which is what pearl isn't doing, in my opinion.
Fritz Frigursson
Senior Member
The DW9000 with its infinite adjustable cam and inwards facing spring, DW "True" tuning rods with higher tpi on all drums, numerous ply directions in its shells (HVLT, HVX and such), Airlift stands, its infinite wood combinations (even if exaggerated), Mag throw off (very nice) and DW6000 series which did inspire a lot of companies to make lightweight or flatbased hardware. They are all great stuff from DW.When was the last time that DW came up with real innovations? Must have been in my youth... I really just cannot remember them being innovative since years. Also, their drums seem to be less and less competetive lately. In this video e.g. the Sonor Vintage makes DW look really bad.
I don't know if it is really nobody, but you are basically right. Some drums even resonante way too much these days, so that you have to add muffling. Ouch.
There are drumsets that don't have diecast hoops, e.g. the Superstar Classic and the SLP drumsets (The diecast-hoopss Tama makes are btw. lighter than those of other drummakers), but the top-drumsets, yeah, it would be nice if there would be such an option. But then, they would have to change the mounting system. Ugh!
And the finishes, yes, they have some brilliant ones but also some that are outright
PEARL MASTERS BCX BIRCH 7 PIECE DRUM KIT, GOLDEN BRONZE GLITTER (PRE-LOVED)
This is so much drum kit for such a great price and what a colour!! A totally Pro 'Made in Taiwan' Masters Birch Series kit with all the usual high end features and a very versatile range of sizes perfect for any genre! The Pearl Masters BCX feature the same famous Shell as offered on the famous...
I'd like to see Starclassic drums with TF hoops, just to see what they'd sound like. True that they would have to replace the Star mount, but they'd be able to make something that works with TP hoops.
Solid black, natural and a couple sparkles should be standard on all kits, no matter the brand.
someguy01
Well-known member
This guy.
Fritz Frigursson
Senior Member
send pic
someguy01
Well-known member
Send me the $$ for it and I'll buy it right now.
I love those ridiculous finishes. Crazy colours are my jam, but not a fan of a burst finish regardless of manufacturer.
Fritz Frigursson
Senior Member
we will agree to disagree, I would only buy a neon green oyster kit if I had a gig at a dark haunted house or a lights out house party. Or for a circus.
ineedaclutch
Platinum Member
¡Preach! ?