Why Vinnie is THE man.

Icetech

Gold Member
watching him with jeff beck at ronnie scots made my jaw drop.. just never saw someone so dead on and perfect..
 

Odd-Arne Oseberg

Platinum Member
Vinnie's current playing with Sting isn't necessarily his best in my book. He's being allowed to just jam over things and sometimes goes overboard. Sometimes it's cool, sometimes it doesn't work so well. that' more than Vinnie, though. I'm traditionally a huge Sting fan, but it's all getting old, really.

Vinnie can still bring it, though. As proven here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftVspJ1FjLs


Not to mention stepping in and just doing this comfortably on someone elses kit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb7A74oZvX0



Now that clip with Manu. To be honest I personally don't feel he's locking in. Something Vinnie always does to an unsurpassed degree and is the thing that really makes him special.



Vince is sort of being a child, but to just stand up close with a camera on someone like that at a big show is, at last to me, a bit like this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/chinese-schoolboy-15-exposed-as-egypt-s-ancient-temple-graffiti-vandal-8633556.html
 

Icetech

Gold Member
I so hate you for making me hear sting... EVER.... but personally i think vinnie is a total wrong fit for that band. The second video shows that easily. He could probably bring it way down and play simpler but i would expect a racehorse to pull my hay wagon either :)
 

Spreggy

Silver Member
There's another drummer's forum, I forget which one, that appears to be all about worshiping Vinnie, and the traditional grip. There are guys there who even post videos of themselves, and they're basically trying to look/act like Vinnie. It's like listening to Led Zeppelin. Yeah, he's great, but after the millionth time it's enough already.
 

spleeeeen

Platinum Member
I think Vinnie is the only person I could watch over-play all day long. Probably couldn't just listen, but watch and listen? Yes.

Steve Jordan would be the guy I could easily listen to all day long.
 

Thaard

Platinum Member
There's another drummer's forum, I forget which one, that appears to be all about worshiping Vinnie, and the traditional grip. There are guys there who even post videos of themselves, and they're basically trying to look/act like Vinnie. It's like listening to Led Zeppelin. Yeah, he's great, but after the millionth time it's enough already.
Houseofdrumming.com?
 

picodon

Silver Member
Vince is sort of being a child, but to just stand up close with a camera on someone like that at a big show is, at last to me, a bit like this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/chinese-schoolboy-15-exposed-as-egypt-s-ancient-temple-graffiti-vandal-8633556.html
For sure, if you stand up close and keep filming this way, you can make anyone look stupid :)

Honestly I could in no way criticise him, I just thought he treated a very dear song of mine a little rough in that concert.
 

Skitch

Pioneer Member
Vinnie's current playing with Sting isn't necessarily his best in my book. He's being allowed to just jam over things and sometimes goes overboard. Sometimes it's cool, sometimes it doesn't work so well. that' more than Vinnie, though. I'm traditionally a huge Sting fan, but it's all getting old, really.

Vinnie can still bring it, though. As proven here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftVspJ1FjLs


Not to mention stepping in and just doing this comfortably on someone elses kit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fb7A74oZvX0



Now that clip with Manu. To be honest I personally don't feel he's locking in. Something Vinnie always does to an unsurpassed degree and is the thing that really makes him special.



Vince is sort of being a child, but to just stand up close with a camera on someone like that at a big show is, at last to me, a bit like this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/chinese-schoolboy-15-exposed-as-egypt-s-ancient-temple-graffiti-vandal-8633556.html
Now, you're talking about 2 of my all-time 3 favorite drummers; Vinnie and Manu.

I first saw Vinnie on the cover of a Modern Drummer magazine in 1983 when he was with Frank Zappa. Being the young Rush snob that I was, I remember that I wasn't all that impressed. I remember reading something about 21/16 and something mentioned about Joni Mitchell's new (at that time) "Wild Things Run Fast" and her remake of the Elvis song "Baby, I Don't Care".

Fast forward to a couple of years later.

I was sitting in my living room watching HBO, waiting for a movie to come on. This was during the time in which HBO would use music videos (which actually showed the band playing) as filler to fill up an odd amount of space between features. My brother began to turn the channel when I saw the info "Artist: Joni Mitchell Song: Baby, I Don't Care Album: Wild Things Run Fast". I told him to not change the channel because I remembered this.

I said to myself "Ok, Mr 21/16 "I'm on the cover of Modern Drummer with the feature story", let's see what you've got!"

The next day I was at the music store, buying the album.

The uncanny thing about Vinnie Colaiuta is that he pretty much knows what he can get away with, tastefully, on a song. He's a different drummer on each and every song and yet the same. A few years later, I found a CD by Tom Scott - Flashpoint and Vinnie was the drummer, the only drummer on it. That's when I began referring to him as the prototype; the kind of drummer that I wanted to be. Vinnie is quite a bit like Steve Gadd in this respect; he always plays the song with all the love and care possible, even when it maight be the schmatzyiest music ever. It's his passion and duty as a musician. Totally Gadd.

The first track, "Get a Grip" totally blew my mind and still does, even after transcribing it many years ago. And then the rest of the disc, he goes on to be Mr. Groove.

I also remember, in Modern Drummer magazine in like 1994 or 1995, there was a review of a CD "Thanks to Frank", Artist, Warren Cuccarullo. This was when Vinnie was at the heights and people were just beginning to recognize him. He'd been playing with Sting for about 4 years. The first sentence of the review stated, "If Vinnie's playing as of late, hasn't scared you, buy this CD." It's still scary to this day.

With Manu, it was Sting's disc "Nothing Like the Sun" which introduced me to his great playing; I didn't even know about his work on Peter Gabriel's So album. By the way , Manu, at one time, was one of Neil Peart's favorite drummers! There is something absolutely elegant about Manu's playing and it was something which I wanted for myself. Just check out Julia Fordham's song "Manhattan Skyline" for proof.

I like their playing with Sting equally well; they obviously bring different qualities to the music.

As far as watching videos goes, we can all watch them repeatedly and get the scalpel and tweezers out and critique them endlessly; I do this same thing with movies that I have seen over and over. The main thing with the videos is what you're seeing is in the moment and few drummers or musicians, for that matter, master the moments like these two drummers do.


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Skrivarna

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Now, you're talking about 2 of my all-time 3 favorite drummers; Vinnie and Manu.

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I like their playing with Sting equally well; they obviously bring different qualities to the music.
Couldn't agree more, they are two of my absolute favourites as well. So different, so completely opposite in approach, but still so great.

Before hearing Manu (as in your case on Nothing Like the Sun and So) I strived to play like Vinnie -- super tight, with tasteful chops. But Manu opened my ears to this really loose, almost sloppy, quality. A hint of "just go for it, couldn't care less where I land" (but still manage to get back on 1, or at least very close to it...).

I love both. Would still love to play like Vinnie, but I probably sound more like a really bad version of Manu, by accident.
 
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