That's like telling me to understand some of that German Death Metal. I just dont like it. The guys may be great at it, Its just not my thing. I honestly have always felt someof the best drummers ever to live played big band and jazz and to see their true skill you needed to see or hear them solo. A lot of it to me is keeping a beat with just the hi-hat and once in a while an accented snare in some wierd place.Again, you have to understand it to appreciate it. If you think it sounds like guys tuning up then you have missed a few steps.