Why is Jazz a Four Letter Word?

There were no rock drummers in 1940 Jay..

That is most certainly true, but there was no rock 'n roll in 1940 either. Aw heck. Look, I don't mean to cause any trouble here, but I still say that jazz players did not create rock 'n roll.

And with that I guess I should call it a night.
 
That is most certainly true, but there was no rock 'n roll in 1940 either. Aw heck. Look, I don't mean to cause any trouble here, but I still say that jazz players did not create rock 'n roll.

And with that I guess I should call it a night.

Rock began developing around that time. You can buy Daniel Glass' book:

http://danielglass.com/Rock.html

The fact of the matter is that the drumming timeline has no gaps.

Ken, I reckon they would sound better if they could swing.
 
That is most certainly true, but there was no rock 'n roll in 1940 either. Aw heck. Look, I don't mean to cause any trouble here, but I still say that jazz players did not create rock 'n roll.

And with that I guess I should call it a night.

The Tympani Five was considered jazz in the 1940s and rock and roll by the mid-1950s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKxj3KbSiYk

This is the first rock n roll record:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy0m5YP5pXQ

But even something like this still swings

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5fsqYctXgM

this is rock n roll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ofD9t_sULM

one for good measure

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Feq_Nt3nM
 
First rock n' roll record? I'd say that was Rocket 88. Not a jazz player in sight. These were blues musicians, no?

Please stop derailing the thread Jay. As I mentioned, do some research. Ask Steve Smith or something.

This is such a no brainer. Do some homework.
 
Check out Red Saunders.

http://www.answers.com/topic/red-saunders-1

The first rock n roll record was when Little Richard played straight eights to the bar and Earl Palmer said, I guess I'll follow. If you listen to the later records or Chuck Berry it's straight eights.
 
I agree, and it does not to be defended. Rock n roll was certainly created by guys with a feel for jazz: Earl Palmer, Eddie Byrd, Mitch Mitchell, Ginger Baker. I guess the question is what did jazz have to offer rock music today, the heavy stuff like Metallica, Meshuggah, Avenged Sevenfold. Wouldn't those guys be better off if they knew how to swing?

I think if Meshuggah was swung it would detract from what they're all about. Don't get me wrong, I love hearing a beautiful swing feel, but I think Meshuggah (and that style of metal) is often meant to be quite calculated and straight. Just thought i'd drop that in there.

Cheers
 
Here's a good one. Listen at 5:45. This is what you get when rock guys appreciate jazz.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e98IpI2ppc
And isn't it just fantastic! I really don't care what title, definition, examination this is subjected to, it's just plain great music from guys who really know their craft. Ok, I admit I'm a Simon fan, & unless you've seen him live, you'll have no idea just how good this guy is, but the whole Toto evolution over the last 15 years has been fascinating and fulfilling. These guys are rockers for sure but foremost great muso's who take influence from many genre, jazz included. Thanks DD, love that clip.
 
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