Weird. Usually the slash means a roll but there isn’t much time to play a roll there. I probably would have notated it as two 32nd notes or as a flam before the next note. It wouldn’t play the same but is probably easier to understand and play.
A drag usually would be notated just before the next note, as the flam would. The extremely short roll just looks weird to me. (Unless the tempo is extremely slow)
A drag usually would be notated just before the next note, as the flam would. The extremely short roll just looks weird to me. (Unless the tempo is extremely slow)
Realistically, are they indicating two 32nds, four 64ths, or what(?) between the start of that roll and the first note in the next measure? What is the “most proper” number of notes from the point of view of those writing these things, in your opinion.
OK. So, the rudimentary notation point/reason is to say “play as a double stroke”, meaning the same hand and not alternating hands?
32nd notes, essentially. This was pretty common notation in drum corps. An open roll is, generally, doubled sixteenth notes, so basically 32nds. It was not at all unusual to place those doubles on any one (or more) of the sixteenth notes in grouping.Realistically, are they indicating two 32nds, four 64ths, or what(?) between the start of that roll and the first note in the next measure? What is the “most proper” number of notes from the point of view of those writing these things, in your opinion.
OK. Thanks. I’m learning. ?yes as well...this would be the "release" of the roll. I think you are talking about the 9 stroke roll I listed: rr-ll-rr-ll R...in rudimental notation, that would be written as 4 16th notes with slashes on them, and then a quarter note with an accent on it...so the drag is 1 16th note with a slash, and the release note with an accent
So the second version resembles the one I posted, accept the ending quarter note in yours (the 3rd R) is the first 8th note of the next measure in mine?this might help as well....(first time trying to upload this way so lets see)
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In some of the prior discussion, there is an indication of accenting the last note of the roll. Is this implied in this rudiment notation?
FWIW, in my community, both in corps and with concert snare drum, there is no accent implied on the release of a roll or drag, or on the main note of a ruff, unless it's actually written. Accenting the end was something people were specifically told not to do.yes as well...this would be the "release" of the roll. I think you are talking about the 9 stroke roll I listed: rr-ll-rr-ll R...in rudimental notation, that would be written as 4 16th notes with slashes on them, and then a quarter note with an accent on it...so the drag is 1 16th note with a slash, and the release note with an accent
FWIW, in my community, both in corps and with concert snare drum, there is no accent implied on the release of a roll or drag, or on the main note of a ruff, unless it's actually written. Accenting the end was something people were specifically told not to do.
So the second version resembles the one I posted, accept the ending quarter note in yours (the 3rd R) is the first 8th note of the next measure in mine?
This thread might be interested in a paper I published regarding drags and their relation to this notation: https://www.jonathancurtis.co.uk/closingthedraggap
Thanks. After all the discussion of drags finishes up, maybe you could discuss flams. That is, is there an equivalent non-grace note version to flams as in the case of drags (that a number of people actually use)?