Well, the Grammys strike again

?uesto

Silver Member
I'm going to give the amount of attention to the televised artists/performances that they gave to the artists that deserve it.

I do want to put up some congratulations to Robert Glasper (and Chris Dave), Esperanza Spalding, Chick Corea (even though he's up to Grammy number 500), Paul McCartney, and all other deserving nominees/winners.

Admittedly, I did not watch it this year, but did see all the winners on their website. I watch through parts of the show angrily a lot of years, but no more. I'm very glad some of the artists won and were even recognized, but the whole thing is a huge joke.

Was it ever a respectable show with artists that were not only popular, but deserving? I have to get some insight as to its track record.
 

bermuda

Drummerworld Pro Drummer - Administrator
Staff member
It seems like I end up explaining this every year around this time...

The Grammy nominees and winners are chosen by members of NARAS - producers, writers, artists, musicians, label execs, engineers, etc. The public doesn't vote, the network doesn't have a say, and winning isn't based on sales. And while it is not a popularity contest, a nominee with the support of the most Academy voting members wins, so there's an implied preference by labels and musicians for the artists they work with.

So don't blame the fans, or the producers of the broadcast... blame the people in the industry who do the nominating and voting.

Having been a voting member of NARAS for almost 15 years, I was part of the somewhat incestuous process, but I voted carefully, and without an agenda... except where my boss was nominated. Hey, everyone else was doing it!

Bermuda
 

topgun2021

Gold Member
It seems like I end up explaining this every year around this time...

The Grammy nominees and winners are chosen by members of NARAS - producers, writers, artists, musicians, label execs, engineers, etc. The public doesn't vote, the network doesn't have a say, and winning isn't based on sales. And while it is not a popularity contest, a nominee with the support of the most Academy voting members wins, so there's an implied preference by labels and musicians for the artists they work with.

So don't blame the fans, or the producers of the broadcast... blame the people in the industry who do the nominating and voting.

Having been a voting member of NARAS for almost 15 years, I was part of the somewhat incestuous process, but I voted carefully, and without an agenda... except where my boss was nominated. Hey, everyone else was doing it!

Bermuda
Random questions, are voters and nominees and their guests the only ones allowed to attend the Grammy's?
I have a relative who attends every year. I believe she votes, but she is not a part of the industry to my knowledge.
 

?uesto

Silver Member
It seems like I end up explaining this every year around this time...

The Grammy nominees and winners are chosen by members of NARAS - producers, writers, artists, musicians, label execs, engineers, etc. The public doesn't vote, the network doesn't have a say, and winning isn't based on sales. And while it is not a popularity contest, a nominee with the support of the most Academy voting members wins, so there's an implied preference by labels and musicians for the artists they work with.

So don't blame the fans, or the producers of the broadcast... blame the people in the industry who do the nominating and voting.

Having been a voting member of NARAS for almost 15 years, I was part of the somewhat incestuous process, but I voted carefully, and without an agenda... except where my boss was nominated. Hey, everyone else was doing it!

Bermuda

Sorry, Bermuda. I haven't been on here all that long. I know it's not up to the public. There's a board for all of these awards, but there it seems quite obvious that it's all politics. Honestly, the biggest disappointments seem to be in the popular categories, (Best New Artist, Best Song, Best Album, Best Rap... Best Rock...)

Just really painful to watch or hear about.
 

bermuda

Drummerworld Pro Drummer - Administrator
Staff member
Random questions, are voters and nominees and their guests the only ones allowed to attend the Grammy's?
I have a relative who attends every year. I believe she votes, but she is not a part of the industry to my knowledge.
Voting members of NARAS have to have certain industry credentials. Anyone who is directly credited on releases from record lables (I think at least 6 tracks) can become a voting member, so it's not difficult to join.

The Grammy 'ceremony' is mostly open to NARAS members, nominees go for free, members pay various levels to attend. The cheap seats are about $250 each. But I believe there are nosebleed seats set aside for the public, probably just a goodwill gesture.

I've never attended, not even when nominated. I just don't like all the hoopla.

Bermuda
 

bermuda

Drummerworld Pro Drummer - Administrator
Staff member
Just really painful to watch or hear about.
I usually agree, many of the nominees wouldn't have been my choice. But, that's why a ton of members vote, not just a few. The nominees and winners reflect, for better or worse, the choices of their associates in the industry as a whole.

Bermuda
 

Anon La Ply

Renegade
I didn't see it but heard that Gotye did well - and I think it was well deserved. It was the most original arrangement I've heard in mainstream music for a fair while, which is often formulaic and charmless (at least to these old ears).

Glad the awards are over. Dave Grohl is always candid and straight up, but I got a bit tired of the Grammies' ad with him telling us ...
 

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toddmc

Gold Member
I didn't see it but heard that Gotye did well - and I think it was well deserved. It was the most original arrangement I've heard in mainstream music for a fair while, which is often formulaic and charmless (at least to these old ears).
True, except maybe for the intro xylophone part (is it just me or does anyone else hear "Baa Baa Black Sheep" when they hear that part)?
 

Jeff Almeyda

Senior Consultant
Fun. was great! That singer pulled off all of his difficult parts live effortlessly. That record Some Nights has really spun me. Great songwriting, great singing, inventive drum parts. Just a wonderful pop record.
 

?uesto

Silver Member
I heard Frank Ocean had a terrible performance. He's probably much more of a recording artist than a performer. Then when you're performing in front of all the people who would be at the Grammy's it's gotta be even tougher.

I would have liked to see Sting perform. I'll search the YouTube when I get home from classes later. I'm actually looking at the performance list now and wishing I watched some of the other ones too...

Giving Drake best rap album of the year over Nas and The Roots is unforgivable in my eyes though. That should be grounds for impeachment for anyone who voted that way.
 
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The Old Hyde

Guest
The grammys lost me when Jethro Tull beat ot Metallica. Not a Meatallica fan but honestly Bermuda, did you or anyone else in the world even know Tull put out an album that year? I know it was a crossmix of catagories that year which they since changed but should tull even have been nominated for an obscure album that no one bought versus Metallicas monster album that year?? it seems every year the voters are less in touch with the majority of listeners. why is that??
 

larryz

Platinum Member
The curse of the Best New Artist.

Could it have commenced in 1976 with Starland Vocal Band and their classic "Afternoon Delight"? Skyrockets in flight?
 

larryz

Platinum Member
The grammys lost me when Jethro Tull beat ot Metallica. Not a Meatallica fan but honestly Bermuda, did you or anyone else in the world even know Tull put out an album that year? I know it was a crossmix of catagories that year which they since changed but should tull even have been nominated for an obscure album that no one bought versus Metallicas monster album that year?? it seems every year the voters are less in touch with the majority of listeners. why is that??
Haha, funny that people are STILL talking about this. Whoda thunk it? heavy metal = flute?
 

bermuda

Drummerworld Pro Drummer - Administrator
Staff member
The grammys lost me when Jethro Tull beat ot Metallica. Not a Meatallica fan but honestly Bermuda, did you or anyone else in the world even know Tull put out an album that year?
Nope, and I'd lost my affection for them by then anyway. I think they jumped the flute after War Child. But the process of them being entered in that category to begin with is in the hands of the voting members, not the Grammy organization per se.

Here's the deal. At some point in the fall, members are asked to suggest ("enter") artists, songs, albums, etc in specificed categories. Anyone can enter anything, no matter how incongruous it might seem to that category. Those entries - often hundreds for things like best song & best album - are then given back to the members to vote for the 5 nominees in each category. Those names are sent back to the members and a winner is selected.

I can see how Tull was entered initially, and possibly even voted into the top-5 as an inside joke, but they shouldn't have won. I wasn't a member then, so I couldn't do my part to prevent it. FWIW, I never voted for sport. If I wasn't familiar enough with a particular nominee, I simply didn't vote in that category. Perhaps enough members thought it would be funny if Tull won, so they voted that way... and they did!

it seems every year the voters are less in touch with the majority of listeners. why is that??
Because it's not about the listeners, it's about how people in the industry feel about each other. American Music Awards and Billboard Music Awards are about the listeners (the ones who buy the music.) But that's just a matter of sales, not (necessarily) quality, and that's an oft-discussed paradox. Most common example of this is just because McDonald's sells the most burgers, doesn't mean they're the best. You have to then ask why so many people vote that way with their dollars, whether it's burgers... or music.

Basically, on the whole, the listening public and the people in the industry are different. The best any of us can do is like what we like, and leave it at that.

Bermuda
 
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Anthony Amodeo

Guest
The curse of the Best New Artist.

Could it have commenced in 1976 with Starland Vocal Band and their classic "Afternoon Delight"? Skyrockets in flight?

hahahahaha

my friend Warrens dad played drums on that track
 

inneedofgrace

Platinum Member
This is why I never watch awards shows, whether it be music, acting, reality TV, etc. Too many fans are up in arms about who gets the awards, and the show itself is usually dreadful.
 

larryz

Platinum Member
hahahahaha

my friend Warrens dad played drums on that track
Interesting! Please divulge who this drummer was (if you want). I actually dig the song..still, and have played drums to it, so I'm curious.. Starland was a John Denver find if I recall.
 
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Anthony Amodeo

Guest
Interesting! Please divulge who this drummer was (if you want). I actually dig the song..still, and have played drums to it, so I'm curious.. Starland was a John Denver find if I recall.

I know his first name is Jim
not sure what his last name is

my friends name is Warren Johnson but Jim is his step dad so they obviously don't have the same last name

Jim told me many years ago that he played on that song

he also told me that Billy Cobham was on the session ....doing what...I have no idea

he could be completely bulls***ing me but I don't think he has any reason to do anything like that

I know he was a session guy in the 1970s
 

GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
Can someone tell me the difference between record of the year and song of the year, with record being only one song and not an album.
 
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