Watching gig drummers as a learning experience

[prodigy4299]

I think where all this comes from, and is going, is that the more you pay attention to detail, the better the results.

Just so we're clear, my comment on Eric Moore was made half tongue in cheek.

And I agree about paying attention to details. Though as I get older, I find that life is really just a series of trade offs (which details are worth paying attention to, and which are not).

 

[Xstr8edgtnrdrmrX]

Just so we're clear, my comment on Eric Moore was made half tongue in cheek.

got it!!!

And I agree about paying attention to details. Though as I get older, I find that life is really just a series of trade offs (which details are worth paying attention to, and which are not).

that is true....it is like investing money...make sure you are getting good returns! I also think detailing becomes second nature the more you learn and stick with an activity. It is like layers...

 

[Duck Tape]

You would have to ask what job description they were given too. In my band I get ''the look" if I make a hasty musical choice. The first band I played in I could basically do whatever I wanted and was never criticized.

 

[doggyd69b]

I am DEFINITELY using this as an excuse the next time I mess something up

Maybe check this out:

I make mistakes at every single gig but not once anybody has said to me "dude you really messed that up" I guess I managed to recover fast enough that either no one caught it or the ones that did thought I did it on purpose (sometimes I did for example when a stick broke and one part of the stick flew one way while I launched the other the opposite way so both pieces flew at the same time and while still in the air I have already grabbed a spare stick an I only missed one hit at most which most nobody noticed.

in the video below (at the 3:53 mark), I didn't break a stick but I hit the rim of the tom and my stick flew off my hand so I had to grab a spare one to continue. It happens it's how you recover that will make it bad or not.

 

[Xstr8edgtnrdrmrX]

Maybe check this out:

I make mistakes at every single gig but not once anybody has said to me "dude you really messed that up" I guess I managed to recover fast enough that either no one caught it or the ones that did thought I did it on purpose (sometimes I did for example when a stick broke and one part of the stick flew one way while I launched the other the opposite way so both pieces flew at the same time and while still in the air I have already grabbed a spare stick an I only missed one hit at most which most nobody noticed.

in the video below (at the 3:53 mark), I didn't break a stick but I hit the rim of the tom and my stick flew off my hand so I had to grab a spare one to continue. It happens it's how you recover that will make it bad or not.

I also make mistakes pretty much every time I play. Most "normies" (as has been being used in the other thread) probably don't notice, or wouyldn't know how to communicate if they did, but i have a few freinds who come to gigs that are pretty brutally honest - which i like - and they don't miss a thing!!

i have never broken a stick live, but have DEFINITELY dropped them...what I get from most people when that happens is that they can't beleive I was able to keep the beat/song as if it had not happened, and usually recover a stick. Have also had many equipment failures that I usually recover/get over pretty quick. The only one that was impossible to hide was breaking a bass pedal...well, I ended up using my floor tom as the bass drum for the rest of the night, but it was definitely easier to tell that the beats were not "right"

 

[doggyd69b]

From the point of view of the people you're playing with, overplaying usually means playing selfishly, making people support you while you do your stuff, and not leaving any room for them to do their stuff. Playing obtrusively, not playing enough structure, playing a lot of stuff with not-great time or accuracy, not sensitive enough to dynamics. If you can take care of all that stuff, you can play pretty busy and not sound like you're "overplaying"-- to the people you're playing with.

You can't really do anything about players who are controlling, and/or who don't want to hear any drums at all, or critical audience members who want you to play differently.

Every blues guitarist overplays and everyone in a prog band overplays as well.

 

[Xstr8edgtnrdrmrX]

Every blues guitarist overplays and everyone in a prog band overplays as well.

but when blues guitarists do it, it is legendary, or magical or "tastefull"

when prog guys do it it is wankery, or gymnastics, or too much....

 

[BobC]

Watching other drummers is always a learning experience, both good and bad. The good ones inspire you. The bad ones cause amusement, teach you what not to do, make you thankful, and bolster your confidence.

 

[Stickman]

SO many comments here, so little time..
I'll just say; it's great to see other drummers - each will have their own style. Just take away what you like about each drummer and adopt what you can.

Classifying them into 'types' is not really helpful.. it's more like look for things like , do they use dynamics, how is the body positioning (relaxed flow vs. tight and stiff), busy vs simple pronounced phrasing, stick heights, sound balance, and on and on..

 

[doggyd69b]

but when blues guitarists do it, it is legendary, or magical or "tastefull"

when prog guys do it it is wankery, or gymnastics, or too much....

Blues to me is extremely boring, I can stand a 1 minute run but once they go on forever i'm out.

Prog just gets old quickly with all the constant changes, you lose interest.
Jazz feels like it's just made up on the spot (I know it's not but it feels like that to me).

 

[doggyd69b]

Back in the 90s this band (La Clica) from Chihuahua Mexico played at a club that we used to frequent so I got to see them and play with them on some Jams.
You can hear the Rush influence on the drummer and the bass player. I personally thought he overplayed a lot of their stuff (used too many cymbals).

I don't know what the deal is with the typewriter?

 

[Xstr8edgtnrdrmrX]

Blues to me is extremely boring, I can stand a 1 minute run but once they go on forever i'm out.

Prog just gets old quickly with all the constant changes, you lose interest.
Jazz feels like it's just made up on the spot (I know it's not but it feels like that to me).

same for me with blues especially...and I play in a band that does quite a bit blues.

Prog doesn't get old for me for the most part...it is what I latched on to in my salad days, so it is sort of like "home". I do have to jump from group to group though to keep things fresh...except Rush. I will never tire of Rush....

and jazz was what I first heard as a young, young kid...so if prog is home, jazz is the foundation/neighborhood that the house is in...I get tired of certain kinds of jazz though...esp the really weird late 60's stuff