jaykaydrums
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will the EC resonant head not do the job?
will the EC resonant head not do the job?
ahhhh makes sense then!I don't have one on-hand, but I prefer being able to regulate the sustain rather than the head doing it for me and having to work within its damping level.
Ring definitely doesn't fit inside But I like the cotton balls for the rack tom/s, so In think that's the answer. The G14 reso really sings, but that's a good problem to have.
Still need a solution for the floor tom though, I might try cutting down a ring for that.
Bermuda
Not “taking the resonance out”. More like ‘tuning’ the resonance for a deep sound. Pretty much the opposite to what a concert tom sounds like.So you are trying to take the resonance out of the resonant head that helps the drum resonate?? i don't really get it i guess. You may have to play one of your vintage concert tom kits and dampen the batter side.
So you are trying to take the resonance out of the resonant head that helps the drum resonate??
Got it, I'm slow on the uptake sometimes! I was interpreting the post wrong and didn't understand what the goal was.Actually, I want the drum to resonate as much as possible, that's always been the goal. Once that's done, I can fine-tune it as needed. There will be some applications where I'll leave the toms wide open, such as on un-mic'd local gigs where I want the fullness to translate to the listeners and blend with the kit better. When mic'd, I will want to control the sustain more to my liking so that the sound person doesn't have to gate it severely it to their liking.
It's all about controlling the sound, which means the toms need to start out as wide open as possible (something short of a timpanum though!)
Bermuda
If you're looking to change on the fly and want to dampen from the inside maybe an old fashion adjustable tone control.
You need to customize this kit further and add baseball bat mufflers to the top and bottom heads!!! A lot of old kits had top and bottom mufflers, I wonder why, other than cost, that companies stopped ding that?Not so much on the fly, the set-up will stay the same on the drum while it's used for local gigs. It would change if those drums are taken on tour (which is the plan for these Neusonics) and will stay that way until/if those drums are returned to local service.
See that I dont understand. All the drummers back in the 70's/80's playing double headed toms and bass drums with one head removed yet the lugs still mounted. I would think those lug inserts would vibrate like hell. Engineers...ppffffttt...Probably because most removed them because they buzz. Engineers hated them.
Gel/muffler/tape etc are different than what a ring does, although I'm trying some different things. I don't dislike those damping devices, I just prefer the sound with rings for certain things, and wonder if there's a further improvement also using them on the reso side.
To be fair... Gel can give the exact same effect as a ring, but you would have to break it into a number of smaller pieces and place it as such.
This qualifies it as a temporary tool to let someone know whether or not a ring will help them, but disqualifies it from use due to practicality. It doesn't stay put upside-down, etc, etc.
I wonder you could mount a semi-rigid felt ring to an internal dampening mechanism. Like, get a rigid fiberglass ring, glue it to the dampening arm, and glue some cotton-balls to the ring.
I use gaffer tape "radiators" for this purpose. In the studio especially, with clear G1's top and bottom I need to tame the bigger drums a lot or the sympathetic vibration from the wide open toms overwhelms the sound in the OH's and spot mics. Three 2-3" radiators on the 16" for example lowers the sympathetic vibration significantly while still leaving more than enough "openness" in the sound when played.Actually, I want the drum to resonate as much as possible, that's always been the goal. Once that's done, I can fine-tune it as needed. There will be some applications where I'll leave the toms wide open, such as on un-mic'd local gigs where I want the fullness to translate to the listeners and blend with the kit better. When mic'd, I will want to control the sustain more to my liking so that the sound person doesn't have to gate it severely it to their liking.
It's all about controlling the sound, which means the toms need to start out as wide open as possible (something short of a timpanum though!)
Bermuda
They did. Thats why people started using "heads" with all but the 2" around the edge cut out.See that I dont understand. All the drummers back in the 70's/80's playing double headed toms and bass drums with one head removed yet the lugs still mounted. I would think those lug inserts would vibrate like hell. Engineers...ppffffttt...