time keeping/ guitarists

Tamaefx

Silver Member
I like the music you posted !
It's not as bad as you mentioned, but you're very low in the mix.
Playing to a click for everyone can be a pain to organise.
What I would do : LiveBPM App. on an iPad for everyone to see.
That way all the band should see when the tempo speeds up.
I use this app all the time now with my band, for the drum and the bassist to see. It's not as constraining as a click, because you can move to it and decide by yourself that it's Ok to move from 111 to 115 in a song, and start the warning when the guitarist jumps at 120 !
 
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SmoothOperator

Gold Member
Some songs sound good in ritardando, but not many.

Everyone should keep time.

If he is trying to keep time, that should ultimately be workable.

Typically guitarists serve more as phrase markers or rhythmic counter point, however you may find that you need to fill one of these other roles. For example adding some sections with space and crashes, while mentally keep time, to mark the large scale time and phrases. Also, you can try to lock in the time by providing counter point, eg on the off beats.

I would avoid the situation, where you are coaching other peoples time, you won't get much out of it.
 

jimmyjazzuk

Junior Member
The last gig we played I let lead guy totally take control of the time and the gig went down well. Really well actually, altho they are usually a generous, good natured crowd.

So are you saying strip back the drum part and play less notes, let him mark the time and just help shape the musical phrases and use counter rhythms to avoid clashing? That could work, I guess. Tempo would still be on steroids though.
 
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Ben Tama

Member
I usually have a hard time convincing other musicians that they are all timekeepers; when they don't get it my heart sinks a bit.
I agree. Every musician has to be able keep time. Sure, they have to follow the drums, but what if there are long pauses, songs without drums, what if the drummer decides to do odd time ostinatos/ polyrhythms, etc. etc...?
 

jimmyjazzuk

Junior Member
They have ended the band anyway. So i guess I dont have to worry about that one then! Funny how things work out.

I probably would have given it one more crack but now i can take a break from drumming for maybe a year, concentrate on teaching and healing the tendonitis, which is good!

Just had my first 2 students this week!
 

lbachir2000

Junior Member
I like the music you posted ! https://ovo.fyi/chaturbate/ https://ovo.fyi/xnxx/ https://ovo.fyi/tubegalore/
It's not as bad as you mentioned, but you're very low in the mix.
Playing to a click for everyone can be a pain to organise.
What I would do : LiveBPM App. on an iPad for everyone to see.
That way all the band should see when the tempo speeds up.
I use this app all the time now with my band, for the drum and the bassist to see. It's not as constraining as a click, because you can move to it and decide by yourself that it's Ok to move from 111 to 115 in a song, and start the warning when the guitarist jumps at 120 !
The last gig we played I let lead fellow absolutely take control of the time and the gig went down well. Extremely well really, altho they are normally a liberal, amiable group.

So would you say you are stating strip back the drum part and play less notes, let him stamp the time and simply help shape the melodic expressions and utilize counter rhythms to abstain from conflicting? That could work, I presume. Beat would even now be on steroids however.
 
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jimmyjazzuk

Junior Member
Thanks mate. Yep its the difference between one person speeding up and the whole band doing it. One you can get away with, the other not.
 

Morrisman

Platinum Member
Last weekend I had the situation (again!) where the bass player said a particular song was too fast and the guitarist said it was too slow. Both came up to me in the break to tell me. So I told the guitarist he should discuss it with the bass player, and they did...
 
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