Thoughts on Phil Collins

Jeremy Bender

Platinum Member
Opinions are all over the map for a well known artist who bridges two generations.

I think he's a very gifted "natural' musician. He walks into the studio with his bandmates, mumbles and lala's his way through some words and comes up with the lyrics to songs that fills records. Even the silly Sussudio was something that he was working on that just kinda stuck and stayed according to Lee Sklar.

His drumming on things like The Cinema Show, Los Endos, and Dodo/ Lurker are challenging even in 2020.

I saw him with Chester Thompson and Genesis in the early 80's on the Mama tour at a moderate sized civic center not a mile long stadium, so I got a chance to see them fairly close. Amazing experience for this young drum nerd.
 
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C.M. Jones

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Big fan of his playing with Genesis. I actually don't mind his solo stuff - and I think he was unfairly the poster boy of everything wrong with 80s pop music. He has a lot of wonderfully fun, catchy tunes on his solo record and I think as a whole any of us would be lucky to be that talented and have that kind of career.

He may not be the best drummer of all time - but since he's so much more than a drummer - I have a hard time saying anything bad about the guy.
I have nothing harsh to say about Phil. I just never got on board with his solo career. His Genesis work intrigued me; his solo work didn't. It's really as simple as that.
 

Hewitt2

Senior Member
My fave drummer. His stuff with Genesis was so inspiring. Some of his solo stuff is equally awesome. I defy anyone to listen to his Brand X output and tell me he isn't a phenomenal talent. His work a a sideman (Clapton, Plant, Eno, etc.) shows how much of a chameleon he really was and always did what was right for the song/artist. Full disclosure - I'm a massive fan (some would say obsessed) :)
 

Peedy

Senior Member
Maybe that's something that I am doing here...... associating too much with him as the "pop star" version of him.

Perhaps I need to really revisit his early Genesis and Brand X days.

Any recommendations for album choices to listen to for either Brand X or Genesis?
Listen to Three Sides Live
 

Hewitt2

Senior Member
I have never gotten into him.

His personality and accent really grates on me.

I don't like his singing.

His drumming isn't my fave at all.......whilst I'm nowhere near his playing ability, I'm not fascinated by it.

His solo stuff is just awful.

I never got into Genesis or Brand X because I never liked their sound.

But he has legions of fans......so whatever he's been doing works!!!

I'm really sorry guys.......I tried to find some positives here, but I've never been able to with this guy.
Brand X - Unorthodox Behaviour
Genesis - Pretty much any of their 1970s output (Lamb Lies Down on Broadway or Selling England by the Pound are especially noteworthy)
 

Winston_Wolf

Platinum Member
I understand the general feelings about his solo stuff, though I'd say it's his singles that are often middle of the road, but even the solo albums have plenty of great drumming.

These are some of my favorite tunes that show off his playing:

Hand In Hand, originally from his album Face Value.

Los Endos, originally from the Genesis album A Trick of the Tail.

Same Old Blues with Eric Clapton. This one isn't the typical showy kind of thing, but it stands out to me because the groove is SO deep and even though the tune is fairly slow he holds that tempo down rock solid the whole way through.

Here's an instrumental medley of Genesis tunes.
 

dale w miller

Silver Member
I'd say he's an all-time great as far as rock/pop drumming goes. His work with Genesis is splendid. As for his solo recordings, I'm not much of a fan. When he broke out on his own, he somewhat became a dentist's office entertainer.
Some of his material, but definitely not In the Air Tonight, Take Me Home, and I Don’t Care Anymore.
Live work tells the true tale. 1976. His flow is incredibly natural.


Where’s Peter Gabriel?
 

Captain Bash

Silver Member
Phil Colins has a nice time feel/inner pulse/ groove pocket; this simple but essential element is what sets him apart from many others and one of the reason why he made hit after hit. Sure he has less less asymmetric fireworks than Bill Bruford but enough to highlight the tune and much much less irritating / distracting. not a popular thought but I find Bill Bruford just farts rhythmic experiments without hitting the sweet spot very often.

Selling England by the Pound is a masterclass in getting the balance right between playing the tune and yet having enough technique to deliver something different when needed. In places I hear soul, prog and the Beatles mixed together with some humour.

 

toddbishop

Platinum Member
It's strange that he's kind of forgotten except as a dated 80s pop artist. He's one of the best, and most successful, drummers in rock, and one of the most famous drummers ever, period. As a solo artist he was bigger than any of the other acts with well known drummers-- Rush, The Police, Led Zeppelin-- except for the Beatles. I haven't listened to any of his solo records since the 80s, but a lot of the songs were built around the drum grooves.
 

NouveauCliche

Senior Member
I have nothing harsh to say about Phil. I just never got on board with his solo career. His Genesis work intrigued me; his solo work didn't. It's really as simple as that.
I mean that's totally fair - not everyone has to like everyone. If I made a list of drummers I don't really like - I would get flamed off this off this forum.

However - that 1985 setting on the Yamaha EAD10 basically has me only playing PC songs at this point - haha.
 

MntnMan62

Junior Member
Maybe that's something that I am doing here...... associating too much with him as the "pop star" version of him.

Perhaps I need to really revisit his early Genesis and Brand X days.

Any recommendations for album choices to listen to for either Brand X or Genesis?
Any of the older Genesis albums because they all have him playing drums. But some good ones are The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, Selling England By The Pound, A Trick Of The Tail, Second's Out. As for Brand X, Livestock is a a good example. That album also has some of my favorite Kenwood Dennard playing on the tune Malaga Virgin. Also Product. As I think about it, check out the Genesis Album Second's Out. It's live. And you get the added treat of hearing both Phil and Chester Thompson. It's probably my favorite Genesis album. Have fun.
 

C.M. Jones

Well-known member
I mean that's totally fair - not everyone has to like everyone. If I made a list of drummers I don't really like - I would get flamed off this off this forum.

However - that 1985 setting on the Yamaha EAD10 basically has me only playing PC songs at this point - haha.
I saw Genesis back in 1986, and it was a great show. I'm quite a Chester Thompson (Phil Collins' drumming counterpart in Genesis) fan as well.
 
Talk about coincidence !!!!!

I was always a fan of Genesis and Phil Collins. I played in a few bands growing up and one did a bunch of genesis stuff .

So I got back into drumming a couple years ago after a 15 year or so break ( except for the pipe band stuff). Been working out of stick control and some other books I had early on
( late 70’s to mid 80’s). Was looking for a few others I thought I had but over the years who knows if I still had em or not . Was looking for my a copy of syncopation by ted reed that I had . Well I found that and a few others. Also, a folder with lesson outlines/notes that my teacher would write up for me ( didn’t even remember or knew I had those). And in it I found

This........

Notice the song ??? Now that’s just a bit weird I came across this today . That

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Must have been working on that song for the band I was in at the time . That’s probably 30-35,years ago now . I Must have Been about 17 or 18.
 
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