THE last time I ever buy Aquarian Drum Heads

Stixxicus

Junior Member
Im gona have to agree. The same thing happened to me with a few remo heads, so i bought some other ones. Now my set is made up of all kinds of different heads. a few tom heads my 12" and 13" toms have the same heads but the rest are different. kinda gives it a different sound so its really varied in how i can tune the whole kit to sound.

Don't judge the whole company because of one kind of head you used...

It's like if I bought some clear Remo Diplomats for my drums and I was beating them like a gorilla and they just happen to break, I'm not gonna say all Remos suck because of one head I tried broke.
 
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fusssion

Guest
I think some people haven't been reading along. The problem was that I bought an entire batch of Aquarian Texture Coated heads (10,12,14,16,22,14) for tops and bottoms of toms and bass. The toms are fine, but the 22" heads do not tune up at all. No matter how tight they get, they simply do not sound like drumheads at all. I've heard of similar issues with Remo heads, but I suppose it's possible for everyone. I put the EMAD2 and EQ1 back on, as the Aquarians are unusable, and hopefully this weekend I'll be able to contact Aquarian and get some more.
Hey .....again.....

WHAT ARE YOUR RESONANT HEADS ?!? Have you messed with those too?! It can make ALL of the difference in the world!
 

piperdoog

Silver Member
I agree, however you should buy emperor coated and either diplomat or ambass's for the reso's, good combo, sounds and works well.
 

darkstar442

Senior Member
dude i have aquarian studio x's on all of my toms and my bass drum and i love them. they are low and muffled but still have a great sound. you should judge the company cuz you made a bad desicion
 

Fiery

Silver Member
Hey .....again.....

WHAT ARE YOUR RESONANT HEADS ?!? Have you messed with those too?! It can make ALL of the difference in the world!
Hey, reading comprehension 1.1...
Cymbalrider said:
The problem was that I bought an entire batch of Aquarian Texture Coated heads (10,12,14,16,22,14) for tops and bottoms of toms and bass.
 
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fusssion

Guest
Hey, reading comprehension 1.1...
Hey smartass 1.1 , ...you could have nicely pointed out that he mentioned it instead of being a jerk about, yes?

I mean, he never quoted me and answered my 'direct' question, so it didn't jump off the page to me.

Maybe someday we'll all be as perfect as you!
 

Cymbalrider

Pioneer Member
Well more trouble from those Aquarian heads again. In addition to just overall nastiness, the head I had on the snare just split the other day. I haven't been using that snare much and there is no signs of wear on the head at all. No dents, just stick marks, and plenty of that thick coating all around. The head wasn't too loose and it wasn't tight, just in the middle. I was just practicing some single stroke rolls when ZIP there it went. It was odd since I was just commenting on how lifeless it sounded compared to the Evans G1 on my Ludwig snare and new Fiberskyn on my Slingerland. I took a photo too.

From now on I buy Remo heads (nothing wrong with Evans, but I don't like their sound choices).
 

2bsticks

Platinum Member
Nothing wrong with good old coated ambassadors. I use Remo on all my drums except I do like the EMAD single ply on the bass. But with that being said the clear Remo PS3 is a great head as well and sounds great on my Yamaha Absolute maple bass drum.
 

wolfmoon

Silver Member
I have been a long time Aquarian fan as some may know. I reccomend them quite often. Today I tried their Super 2's. Right off the bat, I didn't like them. I got them to sound ok but it took too damn long and the way I got them like I said, sounds good but it really isn't what I'm after. I like them low. If I tune low with theses, they are very flappy sounding and they wrinkle up. I'd say I got them medium tight now. They are loud and open but... I'll deal with them. I can't afford to get something else right now.

Another interesting this is the fact that a few weeks ago I put a new Hi - Energy head on my snare. I have been using this head since it came out. Never. Never a problem. This one on the other hand was hard to get in tune. It was hard to get it where I wanted it. It's ok but just like the Super 2's... it's not where I want it.

So... I don't know... A bad batch from Aquarian ??? Maybe these heads came from the new plant in Mexico and they just haven't got things right yet. Maybe the Super 2's aren't for me and nothing is wrong with them. The snare head issue was definitly an issue with the head tho.

It's strange.. I have never had issue tuning an Aquarian head. Who knows.. I know it's not the drums. I think for my next head buy I'm going back to clear Emperors or maybe try something from Evans. Remo and evans are much easier to come by anyway..
 

DrewTheShoe

Senior Member
I would give the Evans another go. The heads you selected were muffled (dead, if you ask me) by nature. The EMAD2 had two plies, which I never like on a kick, and the EC2s had that ring on them. I would try the normal EMAD and G1s or G2s on your toms.
 

wolfmoon

Silver Member
I would give the Evans another go. The heads you selected were muffled (dead, if you ask me) by nature. The EMAD2 had two plies, which I never like on a kick, and the EC2s had that ring on them. I would try the normal EMAD and G1s or G2s on your toms.
Super 2's muffled ? No they aren't but the Performance 2's I was using are. I like them on big drums 14, 16 & 18. I changed them out cuz they are on the spent side after a year. I probably will try that Evans combo sometime down the line. I just played for an hour on the Super 2's. Ehhh.. they actually sounded better tonight than they did earlier. I think my ears were a bit flat from all the messin around I did earlier today. They are ok but I don't see anthing super about them. I found that I really had to crank up the bottom heads a lot more than I normally would. So my bottom heads are tight and the tops are medium tight. That's as good as it gets...
 

Cymbalrider

Pioneer Member
Evans EC2s are pretty dead, probably sound fine on large drums though. The G1s are the only heads I like from Evans though. Their coating tends to dry out their sound though and it's smooth from the beginning. The only heads I'll be buying will be Remo Ambassadors, Fiberskyns, maybe Powerstroke for the bass, and possibly something like the Suede heads or CS. Of course it costs well over $100 to outfit a kit with new heads... My Gretsch needs new batters and my Mapex needs new resos (not that it can help those Aquarian batters)
 

DrumART Jim

Member
Well more trouble from those Aquarian heads again. In addition to just overall nastiness, the head I had on the snare just split the other day.
No offense, but in my experience that looks like a hellaciously out of tune drum right there. Anytime I've seen a split like that (and I've seen them with *every* manufacturer's heads, not just Aquarian), it has happened between two lugs that were tuned way, way higher than the surrounding lugs. I'm sure you're a fine drum tuner and all that, but that's how it happens.

That said, I have seen it more often with Aquarians because their collar is much stiffer and less forgiving than the likes of Evans or Remo. The same collar that makes them much easier to tune properly also makes them more prone to splitting on a poorly-tuned drum. It both giveth and taketh away.

As for the "paper" sound of your TC head on the bass drum, I'm not surprised by that at all. That'd be like using an unmuffled Ambassador as a batter head on the bass drum. Not something I've ever really done or seen done, but I guess it's possible. That's an awfully thin mylar on an awfully big drum under an awful lot of pressure. Try a head specifically designed for bass drums. You'll get a much deeper, fuller sound out of a Superkick III without the plastic-y attack.

All that said, that's not really the issue. While they may not be for you, it's not really fair to blame Aquarian for not getting the sound you want out of a head that, at least in my opinion, is not ideally suited for your application, or for a tuning problem. I don't know why you'd want to come out with both barrels blazing against a company on a public forum without even contacting them to see if there is some issue going on that they could help you with. I know that Roy or Ron or Chris Brady would be more than happy to talk with you and help you figure out which of their products would have the best chance of getting you the sound you're looking for. They're good people who make good products and, maybe most importantly, who stand behind them and are there for their customers.

--Jim.
 

wolfmoon

Silver Member
Of course it costs well over $100 to outfit a kit with new heads...
Yep. It's about $120 just for 3 toms top and bottom no matter which brand.. Remo is a little cheaper. I like Aquarians but I don't like the fact that it's easier to pull a tooth than it is to get their heads. The stores around me just don't stock them and an order for them takes well over a month. Not good if you want something in a hurry. My local stores stock just about everything from Remo and Evans.
 

wolfmoon

Silver Member
No offense, but in my experience that looks like a hellaciously out of tune drum right there. Anytime I've seen a split like that (and I've seen them with *every* manufacturer's heads, not just Aquarian), it has happened between two lugs that were tuned way, way higher than the surrounding lugs. I'm sure you're a fine drum tuner and all that, but that's how it happens.--Jim.
Maybe but maybe not. Aquarian has had ussies with those heads before. There coating does tend to fly off leaving a nice big clear spot but I don't really hold that against any compnay I mean after all, the coating is sprayed on and your hitting it with a stick so yeah, it's gonna come off but it isn't chip or flake resistant like they claim. I have tried their coated Studio X heads and their Texture Coated on a snare and while they sounded nice, the coating was flying all over the place. I'm not coated head fan to begin with. I just thought I'd give em a shot and that's what happened.
 

mind_drummer

Platinum Member
Well more trouble from those Aquarian heads again. In addition to just overall nastiness, the head I had on the snare just split the other day. I haven't been using that snare much and there is no signs of wear on the head at all. No dents, just stick marks, and plenty of that thick coating all around. The head wasn't too loose and it wasn't tight, just in the middle. I was just practicing some single stroke rolls when ZIP there it went. It was odd since I was just commenting on how lifeless it sounded compared to the Evans G1 on my Ludwig snare and new Fiberskyn on my Slingerland. I took a photo too.

From now on I buy Remo heads (nothing wrong with Evans, but I don't like their sound choices).
Ok is it wrote Z100 in the other side of the logo ? I split an head just like that and called Aquarian and received two new heads (Z100) for compensation and no prob. with both yet.
 

fat in the middle

Senior Member
I snapped a Jack DeJohnette Aquarian head with brushes!! and it was brand new. I went back for more, and keep using them, as it was a bad batch. Life is like that, you get some crap ones. I have texture coated on my kit, and am happy with the warm boing they make. Call them, I wish I did.
 

wolfmoon

Silver Member
I snapped a Jack DeJohnette Aquarian head with brushes!! and it was brand new. I went back for more, and keep using them, as it was a bad batch. Life is like that, you get some crap ones. I have texture coated on my kit, and am happy with the warm boing they make. Call them, I wish I did.
I called them when I got a bad head once. I talked to Roy Burns and he was great. He sent me a new head.
 

DrewTheShoe

Senior Member
Super 2's muffled ? No they aren't but the Performance 2's I was using are. I like them on big drums 14, 16 & 18. I changed them out cuz they are on the spent side after a year. I probably will try that Evans combo sometime down the line. I just played for an hour on the Super 2's. Ehhh.. they actually sounded better tonight than they did earlier. I think my ears were a bit flat from all the messin around I did earlier today. They are ok but I don't see anthing super about them. I found that I really had to crank up the bottom heads a lot more than I normally would. So my bottom heads are tight and the tops are medium tight. That's as good as it gets...
By "the heads he chose", I meant the Evans he was using (EC2s). Good point about the Super 2s though...
 

KarlCrafton

Platinum Member
As for the "paper" sound of your TC head on the bass drum, I'm not surprised by that at all. That'd be like using an unmuffled Ambassador as a batter head on the bass drum. Not something I've ever really done or seen done, but I guess it's possible. That's an awfully thin mylar on an awfully big drum under an awful lot of pressure. Try a head specifically designed for bass drums. You'll get a much deeper, fuller sound out of a Superkick III without the plastic-y attack.

I know that Roy or Ron or Chris Brady would be more than happy to talk with you and help you figure out which of their products would have the best chance of getting you the sound you're looking for. They're good people who make good products and, maybe most importantly, who stand behind them and are there for their customers.

--Jim.
I run a Coated Ambassador batter and a Smooth White Ambassador front on my bass drums (which are different length 26's, 28's and a 24). I get a great sound on all of them.
No papery or thin sound at all. I really don't run any "muffling" (no pre-muffled head, blanket inside against the head etc..) either they're just tuned well for the way I play them.

I agree Roy is a super guy, and I'm sure he'd do what it took to make anyone satisfied.

I tried a few different type Aquarian heads recently, and although I liked all of them on the snare, I hated all of them on the tom. They just don't have a sound I like at all, but it's a well made product.

Evans are great products too, but I just like the crispness of Remo heads better, and I haven't had any coating come off a Coated Ambassador ever, or an Emp, but I did have the coating come off of 2 Coated Emps with the top dot. It didn't stick well to those 2 dots. I have used that model for about 4 years without a problem other than those 2, so that's pretty good.

Good luck cymbalrider in whatever head you end up with.
 
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