THE HEEL TOE THREAD

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Re: triplets with Heel toe ??

Do you have a double bass? Wit a double bass, it should be relatively easy. With a single, like I have, I can make a slow triplet by kicking my heel forward against the back of the pedal and then putting the toe down after two beats. Probably not the best way, though. If anyone else has a better way, please share. :)
 

JWM

Senior Member
Re: triplets with Heel toe ??

Murderdolls172 said:
I 've been have some difficulties with heel toe tring to get out triplets and differnet patterns for heel toe,(Heel Toe Method ).If theres any patterns or such for the heel toe that anybody knowswould really help. Thanks
What do you mean by triplets? The last two notes of sextuplets? (i.e. such as before a snare accent?)

For me, the "heel/toe" method is really Steve Smith's "constant release" technique. I really think it's different things for different people, and it depends on the size of your foot. For me, since I have long feet, it's dropping the heel with the leg (the heel doesn't actually make much contact with the board, but more of the plate at the end... so it's more of a "full foot" stroke) and then playing a heel up stroke with the toes.

You just have to experiment, but it's very important to start SLOWLY... and with the metronome. Once I started to get it, I realized that this is the most exciting thing ever for my feet. It adds so much of a solid and smooth quality to your playing to accent the first note of doubles, triple strokes and even longer phrases of notes.
 

JWM

Senior Member
Re: triplets with Heel toe ??

Josh is a cult said:
i do the same thing you do JWM but i dont think thats technically heel toe..but it works!
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Absolutely.

But Tim Waterson seems to describe his heel/toe as a "constant release" thing, even going so far as to say that his entire heel isn't even on the board.

For me, heel/toe is more of a motion than anything.

But it's really a wonderful technique that is expanding the musicality of the bass drum!
 
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MOONCHILD

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Re: triplets with Heel toe ??

maybe a lot of Iron Maiden can help just try to keep up with Nicko and results must show
 

Jeff Almeyda

Senior Consultant
Re: triplets with Heel toe ??

There seem to be two different "Heel-toe" methods.

One is the Gadd, Steve Smith "constant release " thing.

The other is the heel toe double stroke a la Chris Adler. Tim Waterson seems to do this when he's going for high-speed doubles.

Can anyone shed some more light on this? Are they really two different techniques or are they just variations of the same thing?
 

Murderdolls172

Junior Member
Re: triplets with Heel toe ??

yea thanks I've found a way, But yea i think theres a difference between Heel toe and constant release. I think of heel toe more of a rocking motion and constant release dosen't really have a rocking motion. But thanks for all the help
 

rkettner

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Re: triplets with Heel toe ??

I put together a simple demo video of this a few years back... but can't seem to find it on my PC anymore. Basically... I use heel-pad-toe to produce a triplet pattern. Never bothered to get it very solid (as I didn't use it in a musical context), but it definately had some promise.
 

rkettner

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Re: triplets with Heel toe ??

Knevildrummer said:
There seem to be two different "Heel-toe" methods.

One is the Gadd, Steve Smith "constant release " thing.

The other is the heel toe double stroke a la Chris Adler. Tim Waterson seems to do this when he's going for high-speed doubles.

Can anyone shed some more light on this? Are they really two different techniques or are they just variations of the same thing?
They are essentially two different techniques... but quite blendable. Personally I don't find much use for the Steve Smith method - although it's cool for single pedal setups. The double stroke method gives much more benefit IMO. Just as the double stroke for your hands makes for more speed than trying to turn that into a continual motion - the heel-toe double stroke for the feet produces more speed (when used with two pedals).
 

FloEy

Senior Member
Re: triplets with Heel toe ??

Yeah I can do everything jo jo mayer can do in that little video he has here on drummerworld and I can say that even when using a double pedal my heels are pretty much hitting that bottom. The heel does pretty much all of the work and the toes are just a natural reaction that is actually unnoticebly done.
 

Raymond Bloom

Pioneer Member
Re: triplets with Heel toe ??

FloEy said:
Yeah I can do everything jo jo mayer can do in that little video he has here on drummerworld and I can say that even when using a double pedal my heels are pretty much hitting that bottom. The heel does pretty much all of the work and the toes are just a natural reaction that is actually unnoticebly done.
Hey, do you have a video of you doing some heel-toe stuff? Not that I don't belive, just it would be cool to see!
 

Tim Waterson

WFD ACEDRUMMER
how to do Heel toe for biger feet

Hey everybody
Derek Pope (THe Technique expert ) and I have been talking...OH NO....LOL
we are both getting emails and aparently some drummers are still confused about how to do heel toe if your foot is a bit bigger?
here is a quick clip showing my demonstration hope this helps to clear up the confusion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoPv1oM6vZM

Tim
 

Raymond Bloom

Pioneer Member
Re: how to do Heel toe for biger feet

Great stuff, Tim! I hope this will finally clear out all these ''my feet are too big, I can't do the heel-toe!!!!''

This should be a sticky thread
 

JWM

Senior Member
Re: how to do Heel toe for biger feet

Tim--

Thanks so much for that bro! Really fantastic explanation. Pope's is obviously a really great explanation too, but I got more from yours, especially since you talked a little about Virgil's toe tapping (he seems to really use that for the inverted doubles). I'm feeling a real sense of perspective now about the feet.

Thanks much for your contributions. You're a gift man.

BTW, nice bare foot. Makes me think of that line from Pulp Fiction, "Would you ever consider giving a guy a foot massage?"

Who wouldn't want to massage Tim's feet?
 

FloEy

Senior Member
Re: triplets with Heel toe ??

sadly i dont but would I need anyway? Just a camera that can upload things on to the computer? Srry Im not the most knowledgeable on this kind of stuff.
 

Jivi

Senior Member
Re: how to do Heel toe for biger feet

Great but vid as always but can you still do the same thing without an Axis pedal?
 

JWM

Senior Member
Re: how to do Heel toe for biger feet

Knevildrummer said:
What???!!!??? Maybe you should put this in the "off-topic lounge".
Hey, you're telling me you wouldn't like to touch the world's fastest feet?
 
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millerdakiller

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Re: triplets with Heel toe ??

try sliding the first two beats and then using your heel on the third beat of the triplet.

I don't use the heel/toe because my foots too big so if this doesn't work I'm sorry.
 
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