The Fascination with 4pc

Simplicity. My playing isn’t very flashy anyway. Probably on the snare, kick and hats for the majority of material I play. Pocket stays tighter if I keep things simple. My brain can process getting around a 4 banger kit. Never had the personal bandwidth or interest in a big, complex rig.
 
When I started back playing, I got a decent deal on a 7 drum beginner kit and the first thing to go was the 2nd bass drum. I didn't hate the 4 toms, and at times supplemented them with a side snare and another floor. But I didn't like the work involved in placing the ride in a good place, I didn't like the stretches required for side drums, and I felt it distracted me from getting better. Probably didn't but I felt like it did.

So 4 drums, 3 cymbals, sometimes 4, and a hat. Not that I felt like I needed to explain myself, but you're usually decent on here so I did.
 
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Armed with these new inventions Drummers at this stage were still using wood blocks and sound effects with hoop mounted toms, racked to consoles on wheels.

In 1935 Gene Krupa changed the face of drumming by using what was refereed to as a "Stripped Down Kit". Designed by the Slingerland Company Krupa's kit was a standard four piece and included tom-toms with tuneable heads both top and bottom. Tuneable toms took the world by storm, and so too did Krupa's new streamlined kit. Stripped of the usual sound effects of blocks, cowbells etc, Krupa's star status as the drummer for the Benny Goodman band made the four piece an industry standard."



It was getting away from "Traps".
became what was called at the time, the "stripped" down Kit

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Then like now you always have this guy..

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then you have this guy that loved the six-piece


after milking the 4 for all it was worth..
 
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It's the same instrument however many gradations of tom tom pitch you have-- not everybody sees having only two as a significant limitation. Or sees adding more of them as significantly adding creative possibilities. They're tom toms, they all have the same basic function. Tom stuff based on multiple pitches is kind of a narrow area of what you can do on the drums.
I agree, and would posit that the inverse is true also- not everybody sees having only two toms as a creative inspiration, nor sees adding more of them as an indication of lesser talent or unneccessary clutter/clatter.

I started on a 5 pc. with hats, 2 crashes, a splash, and a ride because I played rock (not of the hair band du jour at the time) & r&b mainly, and from school jazz band, learned that a 5 pc. didn't hinder playing jazz at all. As I learned to craft my parts in my first few original bands, I found that I sometimes- not always- wanted that number of voices in the kit, and that was enough to justify keeping the 5 pc. even though Nirvana, et al were making it uncool. Likewise, since I wasn't playing prog or thrash, I had no need for double bass or a bajillion more toms either. 35 years later, the kit hasn't grown much, and what little it has is from necessity, mainly after playing in cover bands for the last 20 years- china added for Stones (Watts played more china than people realize) and a few other rock covers that had it; splash stayed for Police and Pearl Jam and others; cowbell added for "Mississippi Queen", "Honky Tonk Woman" (there's the Stones again), and a few others; tambourine added for a couple of Petty tunes, "Let's Dance" from Bowie, and a few others; aux snare (the only drum I've added in all this time) for things like timbale (snares off) for reggae/ska and certain tunes with high-pitch snares like "Two Princes" and imitating short/high drum machine sounds like in the intro to one of the versions of "What I Got" and others. So far, I haven't had a sonic need to add anything else. I won't do it just to have more toys, but I'll add what I need, and if we play Police tunes that have more than one splash or a DMB/311 song that requires 5 more toms, I'll figure out a way to do it with what I have, 'cause I'm not adding gear for just 1 song. :LOL: Maybe I'd add an 8" tom if I'm ever tasked to do enough songs with higher pitch toms to justify it, but so far, 10/12/14 or 16 (12/13/16 early on) has it covered.

All that said, I've played a 4 pc. in a few situations that required the not-much-smaller footprint (saves more space at waist & elbow height, honestly), and I too enjoy the compactness.

You are creative or you're not. Taking down some toms isn't turning anyone into Weckl or Gadd
...neither of which are known for playing on 4 pc. kits, ironically. 😁

Who said the pieces had to be toms?
Ultimately, no one, but I'm sure it refers to how the companies have traditionally offered kits in their catalogs- BD, SD, + however many toms.
 
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"I like 4, I like 6..." sounds like the beginning of a Dr. Seuss rhyme.
 
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I think players bring the kit they need for a gig. For me 4-5 piece kits did everything I needed. Two gigs the only Tom I had was a floor tom.
 
Pocket stays tighter if I keep things simple. My brain can process getting around a 4 banger kit. Never had the personal bandwidth or interest in a big, complex rig.
I won't assume you meant this so literally, but this is a commonly spoken (and typed) misnomer- that anything more than a 4 pc. is a "big, complex rig". The "middle" is often not acknowledged. Maybe some would consider this complex, but I wouldn't- it's still just a 5 pc. with an aux snare:
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Also, another piece or two doesn't make the pocket less tight- lack of discipline does (which is probably what you meant). Not everything has to be hit in every song. If I'm playing a song that's just backbeat or spang-a-lang or stir-the-soup throughout, with no toms, it doesn't matter to me how many are there- I don't hit 'em.
 
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I am not advocating for Neil Peart style kits by any stretch... That said, the undying devotion to 4pc kits is also baffling... Would a 6pc kit kill people? I get the stage space argument but studios and practice rooms don't have such limitations.. Lets live a little!
I played on a 5 piece for many years and reduced to a 4 piece about 7-8 years ago. And that was a nice way to get out of the default of playing the drums like a scale and thinking more of playing sound sources and making more out of fewer options. Now, too many drums just seem to get in the way and are a distraction.
 
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I generally don't like the way larger kits are played (including by me). There are exceptions; Weckl, Royster Jr, Coleman, Vinnie, a few others. These guys can make a larger kit sing without playing those worn out, predictable tom rolls and Portnoy quads.

Even very busy drumming sounds light years better to me on a 4 or 5 piece. It's less melodic, and it seems to promote more linear fills and grooves. If you don't have the chops, or a significant vocabulary, you run out of things to say on a small kit really quickly.

The only reason I play a 5pc instead of 4 is because I like the sound of a 10" and need that one high voice to round out my sound.
 
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It comes down to ride cymbal placement for me. I can get the ride in a comfortable spot on a 2 up 1 down setup but it'll make the second tom very hard to hit and pretty much useless. And I've never played a 1up 2 down configuration--maybe that's better for me. But 1 up 1 down is also perfectly adequate for any genre of music, so I figure why bother carrying around and buying heads for an extra tom?
 
I played on a 5 piece for many years and reduced to a 4 piece about 7-8 years ago. And that was a nice way to get out of the default of playing the drums like a scale and thinking more of playing sound sources and making more out of fewer options. Now, too many drums just seem to get in the way and are a distraction.
If you can make more out of fewer, why weren't you making more out of what you had? This is one of the concepts I struggle to understand around this topic.
 
It comes down to ride cymbal placement for me. I can get the ride in a comfortable spot on a 2 up 1 down setup but it'll make the second tom very hard to hit and pretty much useless. And I've never played a 1up 2 down configuration--maybe that's better for me. But 1 up 1 down is also perfectly adequate for any genre of music, so I figure why bother carrying around and buying heads for an extra tom?
4pc with 2nd tom to the left. Ride never moves
 
If you can make more out of fewer, why weren't you making more out of what you had? This is one of the concepts I struggle to understand around this topic.
Maybe he didn't need more. If it can be scaled down and still give you everything you want/need, there's no reason not to. I wouldn't lug extra stuff for no reason either.

But, I've been asked why I have what I have- cowbell, etc- and my response is "I can play Honky Tonk Woman or Mississippi Queen without one. I don't want to." (Or likewise for the aux snare/timbale, "I can play No Woman No Cry without one. I don't want to." Etc. 🤷‍♂️)
 
only reasons i played a 4 piece were:

A - it was provided by the venue/other bands playing


B - stage space was an issue

:)
 
I wouldn't say I have a fascination with 4pc rigs, I'm just lazy! :ROFLMAO: Most of the time I can't even be bothered to bring a 4pc - my most-used rig is a 3pc (kick, snare, floor tom) + hats and 1 cymbal. Besides the laziness, I'm an uber-simple player, so I really don't even need a 4pc to say what I want/need to say in the music I'm playing. I'm doing old country, old soul/R&B, and originals that sound like those styles.

There also is the issue of logistics. Most of the venues I play are restaurants, small wine bars or brewhouses. I'm 1/2 of a duo outfit with me + a vox/keys guy, and we're usually shoved back in the dark recesses of whatever venue we're playing, with very little operating space to work with. The reason I don't bring a rack tom most of the time is because my duo guy usually has his effects board and/or wedge in the space where I'd run my rack tom in a snare stand.

I love watching drummers blaze on a big kit! I've got absolutely zero issues with the big'uns, especially when they're used to full effect. I love that our instrument, more than any other instrument, can be modified in a gazillion different configurations to meet the needs, or simply the whims and fancies, of each individual player. I embrace that difference and celebrate it, and would never think of poo-pooing someone based on the size of their kit. There's room for everyone, in my opinion! 🙏👊
 
If you can make more out of fewer, why weren't you making more out of what you had? This is one of the concepts I struggle to understand around this topic.
You don’t have to understand it. That’s how it is. You’re really not owed an explanation. If you want to play a bigger set, please do.
 
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