You pointed out Vinny Appice. You said he clearly has chops but you always felt his groove felt a bit stunted. Can you explain that in more detail I'm not sure I understand what you meant?I mean, its the same the other way too. There's some technically proficient drummers out there who have stunted groove...an example I like to point out is Vinny Appice. He clearly has chops, but I always felt his groove felt a bit stilted. And some of the older DCI drummers who couldn't groove to save their life, but could run circles around the best drumset players in technique (thankfully DCI of the past 10-20 years is a lot more fluid so things groove more).