I was in a drum shop today where they had an extensive selection of stagg cymbals. Yeah i know what you're thinking. But honestly, the higher end lines like the Double Hammered and the Myra lines actually sound pretty good. I mean obviously not as good as the real expensive zildjian cymbals, but certainly a hell of a lot better than the Z3s lolz and considering you can get up to an 18" crash for less than 100 notes i think is pretty good value really. I know you're probably thinking crap quality, it'll crack and all that but to be honest i think cracking cymbals has a lot more to do with the drummer rather than the cymbal.