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macp

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So after many years of being what I would call a frustrated musician I finally decided I should do something about it. Im in my late 50s with (I think) a reasonable sense of rhythm. So my family is very musical. My dad was a half decent drummer. My mother a singer. My brother plays bass. I messed around with bass guitar on and off. Not surprisingly I love bass. And it was a less expensive and least space absorbing option. But its drums for me and always has been. So I thought rather than shuffle off never having done anything about it. I should damn well get off my ass. Now clearly im not going to wow the world and turn pro or even start gigging. Im thinking of getting an Ekit and just enjoy learning and playing along. my long suffering wife has found me a space in a smallish upstairs room. Looking on ebay there is so much stuff for sale. As im thinking of going used and spending sub 1k. I was also thinking Roland with the mesh heads. Believing they would have more feel. So thats where im up to.

So folks any advice, thoughts, tips.

Thankyou in advance.
 
invest in some lessons, especially at first. That way you don't learn any bad physical/technique habits that can get in the way of things later!! I have been teachng drums for 30+years, and that is usually one of the biggest thigns I encounter with adult students...they get into playing, play "undirected" for a few months or so, develop bad technnique habits that we then have to undo and redo. They ALWAYS say 'man, I wish I had done this first...."

don't be that guy!!!
 
Im thinking of getting an Ekit and just enjoy learning and playing along. my long suffering wife has found me a space in a smallish upstairs room. Looking on ebay there is so much stuff for sale. As im thinking of going used and spending sub 1k. I was also thinking Roland with the mesh heads. Believing they would have more feel. So thats where im up to.
Check out video's from 65 Drums. He covers all the e-kits out there.

 
Thanks guys. I was hoping for maybe a reply. But im genuinely taken aback by the brilliant replies & advice. Thankyou so much.
 
Get an ekit and get playing! And don't think gigging is out of reach. Get the basic 'money' beats nailed and covers bands await. Virtuoso drumming is not what's required or wanted.
A Roland TD-4KP is a great foldable option if you don't want to take up too much space.
 
invest in some lessons, especially at first. That way you don't learn any bad physical/technique habits that can get in the way of things later!! I have been teachng drums for 30+years, and that is usually one of the biggest thigns I encounter with adult students...they get into playing, play "undirected" for a few months or so, develop bad technnique habits that we then have to undo and redo. They ALWAYS say 'man, I wish I had done this first...."

don't be that guy!!!
Please don't underestimate the importance of this because it has the powerful potential to set you on a trajectory that can help you fulfill your dream beyond your expectations. It will be money well spent and nothing else can repay your time as this small investment on the front end.
 
Get an ekit and get playing! And don't think gigging is out of reach. Get the basic 'money' beats nailed and covers bands await. Virtuoso drumming is not what's required or wanted.
A Roland TD-4KP is a great foldable option if you don't want to take up too much space.
I appreciate your reply. And im definitely going to get a kit. I love the idea of gigging too.
 
I appreciate your reply. And im definitely going to get a kit. I love the idea of gigging too.
About the gigging thing...it gives playing drums a context, with benefits that go way beyond playing by oneself. Keeping this in mind, it might be worthwhile to consider an acoustic drumset option that can be played on gigs, that is if your situation allows for it.
 
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...thinking Roland with the mesh heads. Believing they would have more feel. So thats where im up to.
So folks any advice, thoughts, tips.

"Feel" is subjective. So - always - where possible - go and hit some things. Try Roland Mesh / Yamaha Silicone(TCS) or Mesh / various rubber (they all feel very different) etc. This combines with the sounds and how the sound is generated from the hit - again go try stuff.

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Stock "what kit" for your delectation: Select what's relevant:

In a perfect world and dependent on your location, I'd always recommend getting the one you try, like the sound of (so you don't end up having to buy a computer + extra hardware + loads of software), like the feel of, has the functions you want (download and read the manuals), and fits your budget.

(....and doesn't have an evil proprietary cable snake, obs).

Like buying cars or shoes - it's always going to be best to try out - so get to some music stores or visit those selling 2nd user if you can. Posting a kit back if you don't like it can be a pain!

Oh, and get 2nd user for more for your money.

AND - IMPORTANT - remember an ekit is NOT an acoustic kit. Totally different instrument, like a Korg synth is not a Steinway grand.
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disclaimer - I have something from everyone - no axe to grind. Been smacking ekits live since '86.

opinion bit only the brave read on.... Alesis (or other Medeli-derived kits) can be fragile / Roland and Yamaha for reliability. Roland uses modelled sounds, mesh heads and (generally) cable snakes / Yamaha has multi-layered sampled sounds, silicone, mesh and rubber head options, and individual inputs.
 
If it's your first drumset, get REAL drums and cymbals, and not those electric pads.
 
Dear @macp, you asked for thoughts and tips, so here are mine for what they are worth. Mostly reiterations of prior posts, but hey...

Most folks, though certainly not all, find an acoustic drumset more satisfying than an electronic set. If an acoustic set isn't a complete prohibition in your home, consider and compare acoustic vs. electronic sets before you buy. @electrodrummer and @BobC have good advice.

I completely advocate buying used. I also advocate spending a LOT of time shopping to get what you want. Use that time to add to your drumset fund. I bought used and spent most of a year "shopping" before I found what I wanted - and almost doubled my "drum fund" in that time. Go back and read @doggyd69b's post - good stuff there.

Don't underestimate @Xstr8edgtnrdrmrX and @Tamboreter's advice about a drum teacher. I didn't have a "drum teacher" per se, but I did have a very competent drum mentor. Aside from general drum playing mechanics, you need all the "head stuff", e.g., counting, timing, drum beat styles, rudiments and other nuances, too many to mention. While beating things with sticks seems simple, nothing about drumset is intuitive. Find a teacher at your earliest convenience - he/she is just as important as drum sticks!

And lastly, to echo @Rockdrill and @Tamboreter, don't rule out gigging or jamming with other musicians. That's why we pick up an instrument in the first place. I don't think any musician ever started playing an instrument with a lifelong intent to play alone. Well, maybe harmonica players like @Bo Eder. ;)

Best of luck to ya, and welcome to Drummerworld and drumming!!
 
As stated before a cable snake is NOT a deal braker and is NOT a big deal, IF I need to extend a cable get an adaptor such as this:

and If you want to make all custom cables you can just get a patch bay, connect the Evil cable snake to it, and connect individual cables to each pad.


Benefits of individual cables..
you can get a shorter or longer cable depending on where in the rack (if you have a rack) your pads are positioned. This (modifying cable length) allows you to have a cleaner looking setup and also gives you more options for pad placement.

Disadvantages... you will have multiple cables and you have to label and maintain multiple cables, a cable snake is just one and it comes pre labeled and if it fails it costs about the same it cost to repair a single cable.

Benefits of cable snake... Pre labelled.
One multi cable to deal with instead of multiple cables. much easier to maintain. Does not affect module's functionality.
Disadvantages: Comes with pre determined lengths (usually fine for the rack that comes with the kit).
Limits pad placement options but we already stated how to overcome that limitation.

Other things that are seldom mentioned are:
Whatever kit you end up getting regardless of brand or tier (entry level vs top of the line), spend some time dialing in (and learning how to) so that you can get the best possible sound you can out of that kit.
Every single kit usually sounds great when using headphones or if a large speaker in a small room, but they sound bad when in a large room through a PA. This is due to the module having ambiance settings to simulate... different environments (read different room scenarios) so, when you listen through headphones your experience is that of someone playing in one of those rooms which generally is going to sound great, but, when you play through a speaker, if you are in a small room, the speaker can usually overcome the natural (real ) room ambiance so that it still sounds good, but when you go to a larger room (at a venue for example) your PA is going to be competing with the venue's natural ambiance so In that case you have to adjust to either turn of room ambiance in your module or greatly reduce it so that your drum sounds are only being "processed" by the natural room ambiance and not both. This is what makes a lot of people give up on electronic drums, failing to adjust simple settings. We like our brand (I started with Alesis back in the 80's but moved on to Roland (still have the Alesis modules and pads though) so we are going to recommend what we like (because we like it) take that with a grain of salt of course. I like Roland, Electrodrummer likes Yamaha.. neither of us is wrong just different brands. but we both agree with you going to a store, play both and pick what YOU like and your budget can handle. And if what you like is not something you can buy that day (over your current budget) then consider places like Sweetwater where you can use your current budget as down payment and pay the rest off in installments. You will be much happier with a higher end kit like this one:

for $93.50 a month for 36 months (minus what you put as down payment)

or the equivalent :


With the digital snare, digital ride, and digital Hi Hats for $ 74.38 a month (again minus whatever you use as down payment).

I would do this (If I was looking for a new kit) life is too short to suffer a shitty kit. (basically anything sub $1000)
 
I appreciate your reply. And im definitely going to get a kit. I love the idea of gigging too.
Open mics are the best places for a new musician to start because NOBODY expects you to be a virtuoso they just want to be entertained, you usually don't have to take your own kit and you get to play one or two tunes with other musicians which allows you to network a little.
How fast you become good is up to you. It really takes no time to learn things, the difficult part is to execute them correctly hence why practice is needed so, since nobody but you can make you practice then you control how fast you become good.
Don't obsess with perfection.
My recommendation is:
Learn the basic beats (Enough to play some ACDC back in black) but learn to play that relaxed.
Use simple songs like Billie jean or Madonna's like Virgin or Papa Don't Preach to learn how to do drum rolls and go back to the beat (this, going back to the beat) is where a lot of people fail, even more advanced drummers... Heck Lars Ulrich (Metallica) his entire "style" consists of him missing the beat and then managing to get back to it and continue the song. He never perfected that to this day yet he is one of the top highest paid musicians in history.
 
Dear @macp
Most folks, though certainly not all, find an acoustic drumset more satisfying than an electronic set.

I don't :) (but it's a TOTALLY different instrument) x
 
I don't :) (but it's a TOTALLY different instrument) x
You keep saying that but is an electric guitar not a guitar? is an acoustic guitar not a guitar? what about the "hybrid" the ones that are acoustic but have a pickup so that you connect it to an amp is that not a guitar?

Following that, electronic drums are just drums with a pickup (let's call the piezo a pickup) . They are still drums albeit they don't produce sound on their own so they need a module just like an electric guitar needs an amp but that doesn't make it "A totally different instrument" it is still the same, you play it the same and the results are pretty similar.

I am also so used to e-kits now that acoustics are a little too loud, but it doesn't take me long at all to be used to them again.. I just find e-kits more convenient due to being able to change kits on demand.
 
Some of these same arguments are also found on this DW thread:

https://www.drummerworld.com/forums/index.php?threads/electronic-kit-equals-more-practice.184066/

One of the posts repeats some of the same arguments made by @doggyd69b:

To me an e-kit is a completely different instrument, which has its place, but it is not equivalent to playing an acoustic kit at all.
Response by @bud7h4 on the thread linked above:
It is completely different in a way, similar to acoustic and electric guitar, but unlike the guitars the e-kit, in most cases, is meant to mimic an acoustic kit. So while they are completely different they are often used for the same exact role. This is where the OP has a point regarding practice time.

I agree with you completely that playing edrums is not equal to playing real drums, but they're not so different that practicing on edrums won't benefit your drumming.
The two biggest handicaps, IMO, are the difference in rebound and playing cymbal pads vs real cymbals. So it's pretty important not to go too long on edrums without spending time on your real kit.

When I returned to drumming in my 30s I spent the first 10 years on edrums (converted acoustic drums) because volume was an issue. It allowed me to practice any time of day, so I was usually practicing twice a day for about an hour. Ten years of that pays off. When I finally got back to real drums it took only about a week to get the feel back.
 
Fellow UK drummer here (Leicester).

Some great advice, as always- there's a HUGE amount of experience on this forum.

Have to say it (like others have)- if you DON'T get some decent instruction, you can set yourself back by a huge amount, then have to "unlearn" bad habits. Good tuition will energise & enable you to learn much more quickly, because you'll have a solid foundation. Money well spent!

IMHO, people start wanting to play drums with enthusiasm & good intentions, but don't realise how difficult it is to achieve even a basic level of competence. "It's only hitting things" couldn't be more wrong! As you said, your Dad played drums; he'd be so proud to see you gigging!

Whether you buy an e-kit or an acoustic kit (my preference-but there's no right or wrong), be sure to do your research, don't be afraid to ask for advice (no such thing as a "daft" question), and buy the BEST gear that you can afford. If you opt for the acoustic route, good quality cymbals are a must; you can achieve decent sounds out of even a cheap kit with decent heads & tuning, but a cymbal that sounds like a dustbin lid (trash can for our US brethren:D) will ALWAYS sound like a dustbin lid!

Welcome to the forum!
 
There are always decent quality used drumsets for sale. If you check Facebook Marketplace and Craigslist, you'll find many choices. Same with used cymbals. I'm echoing what others have said, but do yourself a favor and buy professional quality cymbals: Sabian, Zildjian, Paiste, Meinl and other Turkish brands. All those cymbal companies make budget lines, some of which are usable, and some of which are not so good. Cymbals that are B20 alloy are professional grade. Most B8 cymbals are budget stuff. Remember, you can play lower end drums that will sound decent with good heads and proper tuning, but you can't do much to change the sound of a lousy cymbal.

Establish a budget for gear, and realize you'll need to buy a good throne. Again, I'm repeating what others have said, but try to buy a used drumset that includes pedals and hardware and cymbals if you can. As far as cymbals, it partially depends upon the type of music you want to play. Zildjian A and Sabian AA cymbals are good all around choices.

It will help to bring a drummer friend with you when you go on buying trips to help you make your choices.

And bring all your questions here so we can help.
 
There are always decent quality used drumsets for sale. If you check Facebook Marketplace and Craigslist, you'll find many choices. Same with used cymbals. I'm echoing what others have said, but do yourself a favor and buy professional quality cymbals: Sabian, Zildjian, Paiste, Meinl and other Turkish brands. All those cymbal companies make budget lines, some of which are usable, and some of which are not so good. Cymbals that are B20 alloy are professional grade. Most B8 cymbals are budget stuff. Remember, you can play lower end drums that will sound decent with good heads and proper tuning, but you can't do much to change the sound of a lousy cymbal.

Establish a budget for gear, and realize you'll need to buy a good throne. Again, I'm repeating what others have said, but try to buy a used drumset that includes pedals and hardware and cymbals if you can. As far as cymbals, it partially depends upon the type of music you want to play. Zildjian A and Sabian AA cymbals are good all around choices.

It will help to bring a drummer friend with you when you go on buying trips to help you make your choices.

And bring all your questions here so we can help.

I will second buying a good throne!!! Now that I am older, the throne is usually the mitigating factor in my ability to play for a long time...I would not skimp on the throne!!!!
 
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