Believe it or not.. I was actually just like Sun Dog at one point in my life.
Maybe even worse.
Maybe even worse.
I'll cut the guy some slack. It's ok to be zealous about your favorite brand, just please notice when the conversation goes to things like "what kind of peas do you prefer?" that's when it's apparent that nobody caresBelieve it or not.. I was actually just like Sun Dog at one point in my life.
Maybe even worse.
No worries. The way I go, I've played just about every major manufacturer's drums (strangely enough not a Sonor though), and past a certain price point they're all good. You just gotta pick what you like. And I've joked about it (and proven) that I pretty much sound the same on everything I play. Except when I owned two sets of DW's - not sure what happened there. But old DW (early 80s) and Camco, I loved. But all kits sound great.Sorry, sorry, and thank you for the pardon Bo. Just thought that making it sound like Sonor invented undersized thin maple shells was more than a little silly. I was surprised that none of the watch dogs got off their seats over that. But when i made my comment, well....... I said pick the DWs, its that easy. Rare drums and collectible drums are not the same thing. Plus I'm just plain sick of companies that switch their product lines and names every five to ten years. Yamaha and its fans have been telling everyone for years that the Custom Absolute is the best. Now suddenly its the PHX. And Pearl has changed their top line so many times since the 80's that its impossible to keep track of. Sonor is no different. If you want to tell yourself that they're better than DW, well go ahead, but its a tie at best. Look, we all know that at the highest level all of the big companies and a litany of smaller shops are making great drums. How many of these companies flagship line is the same as it was 15 years ago?
From before the time DW bought the Camco parts, & many years before DW put the George way turret on their first Keller shell. You may wish to do your homework before shouting.Where were all the super thin Sonor kits before DW came along?
Agreed. Good drums, well made, strong company. Even with the best of intentions, every company can catch a cold on something from time to time. It's how they react when things do happen that gives you an insight into the morals, priorities, & depth of the organisation - large or small.Tom....... There are no quality issues with DW whatsover that I know of..
IIRC, DW stole that idea from Premier, who undersized shells by 3mm the same way they did timpini to create a purer sound. And they also copied the edge snare from cadeson drums.... Its like they say in writing, steal from the best. Thats all DW do, they just go around.... and stealng or copying. They started out by buying out then copying camco (heck the DW500 series were pretty much the camco sprocket pedal unchanged for a long time), and have done most of the same until today. Oh and before you say: "Yeah look at there cherry shells or there eco-x bamboo experiment kits", look up other companies first. Usually they did it, find out it wasn't really that great and dropped it. DW then add layers of false advertisement such as "FAR SUPERIOR DRUMS BECAUSE WE ARE UBER EXPENSIVE" and people buy into the hype. Just how they work. This is coming from a previous DW kit and snare owner.DW has been doing that forever. This is a Sonor Lite correct? Where were all the super thin Sonor kits before DW came along? They used to swear up and down that thick beech shells were the best. Now their top kits are thin maple too. Sonor over DW? Sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here.
He's looking at a Designer. DW haven't existed 'forever' and Sonor are roughly 100 years older.... Sonor did the undersized shell thing before DW even existed, as did Premier, who were the real innovators in this area using their expertise in making timpani. Sonorlites were thin shelled birch drums, again before DW existed. Sonor HiLites are relatively thin shelled maple kits from the mid 80's, around the time DW were coming to the fore.DW has been doing that forever. This is a Sonor Lite correct? Where were all the super thin Sonor kits before DW came along? They used to swear up and down that thick beech shells were the best. Now their top kits are thin maple too. Sonor over DW? Sell crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here.
Sonor (& Yamaha) somehow have this flawless online reputation and seem to attract brand elitists who go around promoting and defending the brands (and attacking others), so you're not really researching if you're looking at forums.- Everyone has respect for Sonor, regardless of whether the finishes / hardware are their bag or not. DW on the other hand, have a lot of critics, whether justified or not.
- The overwhelming majority of comments about Sonors sound is positive. There are a lot of negative comments about DW's sound however. Is it really a one trick pony? Lots of comments around muddy overtones and tuning difficulties. The DW snares seem to be the exception to this (I have one of those and agree as I think it sounds great.)
- Quality. Seems to be an overwhelming win for Sonor, however there are some disturbing comments on recent SQ2 purchases that you would NEVER have expected from Sonor. No so from the earlier ranges, so a Designer will not suffer from any recent glitches. Lots of negative comments about DW quality and lots of claims that earlier examples were better than whats currently coming out.
I echo the advice to hear both if at all possible. I've played both, multiple times, & in a variety of settings. I personally prefer the Sonor, & by some margin, but that's me. There's one thing for sure, they sound different to each other.A sonor designer is like a holy grail type kit in my mind but most of the guys I've known working in drum stores tried everything and were dw guys. I might suggest things online but if it was me buying either kit from this guy I would want to hear them both.
I agree if at all possible. I too prefer Sonor and have used Sonor Drums for than more than 35 years. A lot has been said about DW, good and bad, but I'm sure when you get to the upper end of the scale it becomes a personal preference, as both companies produce very good drums. You are not going to go wrong with either.I echo the advice to hear both if at all possible. I've played both, multiple times, & in a variety of settings.
Hi all, I have my eye on a couple of kits and would appreciate your opinions as to which you would choose and what you think the value would be.
Sonor Designer Maple Lite Bubinga, Gold Hardware. 8 shells never played, brand new from 2005
DW Collectors exotic, maple candy burst. 7 shells, mint condition, gold badge, bit older I think. Original heads, never been out of the house
Haha, yep!If you and the drums live in Europe get the DDubs, if in the USA get the SONORS.
When you eventually tire of the chosen set the value for each respective to their location will be greater and an easier sell, you'll be able to get more for the SONORS in the USA and vice versa with the dubs in europe just because both are more common on the continents of their birth.
Eh.. not really accurate IMO.Haha, yep!
As far as sound, that's a personal preference thing. As far as quality, nothing there but fanboy-ism from both sides.
I would say most, if not all, of the DW hate you read is jealousy. I can't afford it, therefore, I'll hate it and call it overpriced, no better than, ugly hardware, on and on and on. The fact still remains that DW makes some of the best drums in the world right along with Yamaha, Sonor, etc.