Single ply batters

scarlit

Silver Member
Single plys are way too bright for many. Some of us like a fatter, more controlled sound. I get plenty of resonance and tone from two ply heads, I use clear G2's mostly. The increased durability is a big plus as well. Its all good.
 

PeteN

Silver Member
I don't know why more people do not try 2-ply over 2-ply, especially with all the pics I see of drums with rings, moongel, tape or some other muffling device. I bet if they put a 2 over 2 combo they would not have the need for any of that.
Muffling rings, tape, moon gel is not needed most of the time, I believe most unwanted over tones are a result of improper tuning. Double ply on top and bottom just seems way overkill to me. All this dampening would force me to hit the drums harder when playing with a band and just seems counter intuitive.
 

tard

Gold Member
Single plys are way too bright for many. Some of us like a fatter, more controlled sound. I get plenty of resonance and tone from two ply heads, I use clear G2's mostly. The increased durability is a big plus as well. Its all good.
How can removing frequencies and resonance make it sound fatter? From the audience point of view a single ply is much fatter / fuller sounding. What it sounds like it from the drummers point of view is not what they actually sound like from 15+ feet away. What the 2 ply sounds like from the drummers point of view is basically what a single ply sounds like from the audience point of view. As for durability, I cant remember the last time I actually broke a head and I can play a studio x a lot longer before it looses its warmth and resonance and starts to sound like a 2 ply does as soon as you put it on, plus I find you have to hit a 2 ply much harder to get the tone and attack out of it which also reduces its life span. I was a die hard 2 ply player till I broke my leg one time and had to do sound while another drummer played my kit while filling in for a couple gigs and found they actually sounded like wet cardboard from out front, After experimenting I eventually found that studio x over classic clear gave me the warm fat resonant sound out front that I thought I had been getting all along with 2 ply and listening to them from the drivers seat. Plus I only change heads about every 10 to 12 months now instead of every 4 or 5 months but some of that has to do with Aquarian's durability as well.
 

kettles

Gold Member
tard - is that with or without close mics on the toms?

As for Saturns, I threw the old clear single back on top of my 10x8 tom after posting about it the other day, still sounds fantastic. So much colour and clarity even though it's quite beat up and it keeps the nice round low end. I like the slightly higher pitch too, I always felt like my 10" tom sounded bigger than it was.
 
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audiotech

Guest
There are, usually, two heads to every drum and the resonant head also affects the sound quality of the drum, not just the batter head. When I purchased my Gretsch Renown drums I wasn't pleased with the sound I was hearing, but I knew it could be vastly improved. The batter heads were Evans G2 clear and the bottom heads were a thinnish 7 mil head. I replaced the resonant heads with Evans G1 clear 10mil heads and the difference was night and day. They gained more warmth and resonance. Right now I'm using Evans G2 coated over G1 clears on those drums.

Dennis
 

kettles

Gold Member
Do all Renown's come with those thin resonant heads? I just started working at a music store and today was tuning up a '57 Blue and noticed the resonant heads had nothing printed on them.

And I wish I had the money to buy it, damn thing is gorgeous.
 

tard

Gold Member
tard - is that with or without close mics on the toms?
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That was with having close mics on the toms. Without mics and and some reverb and delay the 2plys sounded even more like wet cardboard. I always mic my kit no matter where we play just to have the sound come from more than one spot on stage plus it allows me to pan the toms a bit to make the kit seem bigger, but now that I am using single ply heads I do not need to add effects to give them a full warm resonant sound as they now sound that way naturally. I also find the increased response of the singly ply head allows me to play with a lot more dynamics and ghost notes cut thru much better without getting lost.
 

GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
Me too, but I wasn't too impressed with the G+'s, so I'm cautious. 7mil heads just dent too easily for me on toms, but work beautifully on my snare batters. If anyone gets hold of the G14's, post here & let us all know how they work out.

Anyone know when they're due? Evansprez?
I ordered the G14's today for my toms. they will ship Monday and I will do a sound byte for anyone interested.
 

Mrcoffee

Member
Hi all! Here's an interesting take on heads and tuning from the great Simon Phillips. These two Q&As were copied-paste from his site. Just thought I'd share this short but good read... Enjoy!

Question:
Hello Mr Phillips.You are my ultimate favorit drummer and i´m a huge fan of TOTO.I play drums in a rockband here in sweden where I live.I play on a new Tama Superstar kit (wich i love bytheway).My sizes are 12,13 and 16 inch toms, a 22 inch bassdrum and a 14 inch snaredrum.My problem is that i can´t the 12 inch tom and my snaredrum to sound good.My 12 inch tom is tuned very low but when i hit it it1s sounds dead.No ring or nothing.My other toms are tuned the same way but they resonate beautiful.It´s kind of the same problem with my snaredrum.It´s sing though but it´s not a nice sound.Just alot of bass and need more crack out of it.I use coated ambassadors on the toms and a tama head on my snare.Please help.Take care................Ludvig Schönborg

Simon
Well it sounds to me as thought you are tuning your 12" way too low. Remember that it is all a compromise and you have to find the best range of tuning that all the drums sound good in. I recommend using Remo Ambassador Clear heads - to me they give a purer fuller sound. Don't be afraid to tune your toms up and make sure the bottome heads are in good condition. if you can afford it replace the bottom heads with the clear ambassadors. I tune top and bottom head the same - it's a good place to start. The problem you will encoounter is the big gap in size between the 13" tom and the 16" floor. When you tune up the floor tom it will start to boom so you have to be careful. Let them ring too - no damping if you can help it. As for the snare - I use a Remo Ambassador Coated - quite tight. Again make sure the snare head is in good condition and make sure the snares are fitted properly. You don't have to have the snares too tight - again be careful not to take all the ring out - this just makes the drum sound boxy and quieter too. Best of luck!

Question:
Simon! I'm a swedish drummer and a big fan of your drumming! The combination of your drumming and your fantastic sound makes a perfect pair! Do you use a specific tone interval between batter head and resonant head on the toms? I've seen Bob Gatzen recommend to tune both heads to equal pitch and that works ok. But I find it easier to get a good overall sound if I tune the resonant head a quarter higher than the batter head (three full notes higher if you see what I mean, my english is not perfect....). What do you prefer. You have a marvellous sound and I understand that the shells and drums have a great impact on the sound but the tuning is always crucial isn't it?!
Best regards! / Fredric Medin

Simon
Hi Fredric,

Well I use the same method as Bob - I tune the top and bottom head the same. I use a lot of toms so I want each drum to sustain on one note. If you lift the pitch of one of the heads the sound will move between two pitches. However it is important what type of heads you use and whether they are the same thickness. I use Remo Ambassador Clear top and bottom. If you use a heavier head on the top then it is going to resonate at a different rate and therefore the pitch will not be constant. Having said that - it's all down to what you like to hear and getting the sound you want out of the kit.

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