Sina Doering

GetAgrippa

Platinum Member
I just checked, but she is not on any list on the drummerworld site and this part of the forum seems allready a long time not only about the best ever drummers anymore, but more about certain drummers that members think are remarkable..

I agree she is not an exceptional player, but she plays better than 90% of all the members that i have seen in the playing section of this forum..

Then why we need to hear again and again that this is only a YT girl and all that crap..?

Because, even if she is, then still she is the one who actually has all those 1000's of followers with her drumming and you are not..

And besides that ,go check on this forum how all the 'experts' even speak about someone like Anika Nilles..

Really, i read people on this forum, and by how they wrote i thought i was dealing with some really skilled and high musically educated people, untill i saw them play and they were literally almost not able to play the most simple beat..

Still they comment about Anika Nilles just being some YT sensation because she is a girl who basically can not play..lol..

Btw, those last comments are not meant to you personally, but more in a general way..
Dang Oldskool now I feel guilty-she started young (who know another Jo Jo). I'll be the first to apologize if I did offend her-she may read this. Makes me wonder because of my age if I am jaded towards her young age? Heck I've been playing for decades and she plays better than me in just ten years. Course I've seen young ones playing 3-5 yrs better to-dammit LOL.
 

speedytina

Member
Careers based on mediocrity are nothing new and nevertheless remarkable, but at least nothing worth being mentioned on a list of drumming greats. Just my two cents.
In your previous comment, you stated: "Would an average skilled young drummer get any attention if he hadn't boobs?".
I'm sorry, but nothing you say after that remark can be taken seriously, or be considered knowledgeable.
 
In your previous comment, you stated: "Would an average skilled young drummer get any attention if he hadn't boobs?".
I'm sorry, but nothing you say after that remark can be taken seriously, or be considered knowledgeable.
So, tell me what's wrong with this assessment. If you had a bucket with 1000 blue balls in it, and there was only one red ball among all the others, it would definitely stand out, right? Maybe I used different words that you would have chosen, and it wasn't my intention to offend anybody.

But the fact remains the same, nobody would have taken notice of her if she wasn't a young girl. And it's possibly not only a gender thing, you still wouldn't talk about her if she was a 40 years old, average looking woman I assume. You mean to support women's rights, but all you do is to provide everyday sexism.

It's not up to me to decide who might be a remarkable drummer some day. But like any other person, I have the right to state my opinion without being blamed.
 

oldskoolsoul

Silver Member
..But the fact remains the same, nobody would have taken notice of her if she wasn't a young girl. And it's possibly not only a gender thing, you still wouldn't talk about her if she was a 40 years old, average looking woman I assume. You mean to support women's rights, but all you do is to provide everyday sexism..

We are apeaking here about a young girl who has at this moment more than 700.000 followers on her YT channel with her drumming videos..

Who the h*ll cares if she is a stand out drummer or not, because just that fact, 700.000 (!) followers, is enough to mention her here..

This girl is probably inspiring more girls in her life to play drums, than the complete amount of girls you will ever meet in your life..

And then you say to a woman here (i assume speedytina is a woman) that she is providing everyday sexism, because she stands up for this girl..?

I mean, are you really serious man..?
 

speedytina

Member
So, tell me what's wrong with this assessment. If you had a bucket with 1000 blue balls in it, and there was only one red ball among all the others, it would definitely stand out, right? Maybe I used different words that you would have chosen, and it wasn't my intention to offend anybody.

But the fact remains the same, nobody would have taken notice of her if she wasn't a young girl. And it's possibly not only a gender thing, you still wouldn't talk about her if she was a 40 years old, average looking woman I assume. You mean to support women's rights, but all you do is to provide everyday sexism.

It's not up to me to decide who might be a remarkable drummer some day. But like any other person, I have the right to state my opinion without being blamed.
I'm am not blaming you for anything. Your own words are doing that. You just keep digging yourself into a hole.:)
 
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harryconway

Platinum Member
But the fact remains the same .....
Except you're not stating fact ..... you're stating your opinion. And it started off sounding like a sexist opinion .... and it keeps on sounding like a sexist opinion. And then you get out the deflection tool. I'm not the sexist, you're the sexist.

This girl's dropped over 300 video's in 5 years. That's a lotta work. Now if you can come up with a name of a male drummer, who's in their 20's, who's got 300 + video's ..... then maybe we can start to measure and compare male drummer vs female drummer success. But you're not providing any "facts". And we sure don't have to accept your opinion as fact.

But like any other person, I have the right to state my opinion without being blamed.
You're not being "blamed" for anything. You're being called out for your BS. There's a difference.
 
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Well, I would have said the same things about a young handsome boy doing that kind of stuff. Ok, I would probably not have said "boobs" ;)
Look at Cobus, nobody talks about him these days because he isn't a young hopeful anymore.
True, he made a living with his drumming without remarkable skills as well, he still does drum covers, but whenever I saw him playing with other musicians, he kinda fucked up.
Both for sure are hard-working young people. And believe me, I'm ok with that.

But I am an old man, too old for that shit. I don't regret having exactly zero followers myself. And it doesn't make them better drummers.

I was brought up in a family where people were judged primarily by their skills and personality, not by their looks or count of social media followers. I don't give a shit about followers, and if Sina revealed her boobs (ooh, once again that bad sexist word), she would probably gain ten times as many followers without drumming any better. Not to be called a sexist again, if Cobus or any male Drummer shot a video being naked, it would be a surefire success as well.

That currency simply doesn't count much as far as I'm concerned, and many YT 'Stars' remind me of porn stars. They also have to act a bit, but very little people would call them actors.

Ok, but in order not to spoil your party again, I'm out now.
 

GetAgrippa

Platinum Member
I think Casey Cooper had more videos by age twenty. He is the first to get some Gold Play Award from Youtube. To be fair "some" women drummers do show off their assets but no different than Thomas Lang flexing his muscles-now female drummers may comment on his physique just like men notice women (that isn't sexist-that's biology). Nothing wrong with flaunting it but it does make people question the eye candy aspect. Like while I was in grad school (which was a long long time of about a decade getting MS and PhD) most female grad students were stellar but there was lots and lots of hanky panky between students and professors (males and female faculty)-three of my mentors had affairs with my peer female grad students. Now it wasn't any of my business (nor did I care I was drowning in work and two of the women were both friends of my wife) but I did note some favoritism (which could have been earned academically but I couldn't help but wonder), and I always wondered would the women wonder did their extracurricular activities influence their academic achievement. Sina doesn't check those marks like a Meytal Cohen who definitely dresses "sexy" which if it helps promote her career nothing wrong with that-musicians are entertainers. Like Rock'n'Roll bands some in tattered jeans just standing others glitter and spandex jumping. I wonder if it was just audio how people would react? Yep I wonder a lot (nature of a researcher). I wonder when does railing at someone as being a misogynist become misandry LOL? On a positive note Sina has a thread now and I expect to hear more from her.
 

Mongrel

Silver Member
Right.
Off.
The.
Rails....

She has skills, a great work ethic, and knows how to use available tech. to get noticed and make a living. And, sexists comments aside, (as far as I know) does it without exploiting her gender.

What's not to love? Lol

I have two daughters and a grand daughter who could be very inspired by her example....
 
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oldskoolsoul

Silver Member
..But I am an old man, too old for that shit. I don't regret having exactly zero followers myself. And it doesn't make them better drummers..

..That currency simply doesn't count much as far as I'm concerned, and many YT 'Stars' remind me of porn stars..

If there is one person in the world who in general could not care less about followers, then i would be the one..

But you are just completely not getting what other people are saying here..

This girl is not at all exploiting her looks or anything like that (at least not more than for example Thomas Lang, like GetAgrippa said), she is just a girl playing drums and regarding playing those drums she is a decent drummer for her age..Not exceptional, but decent..

And with those drumming videos, she managed to create a following of 700.000 people and among those 700.000 people are most likely a lot of teenage girls (and boys) who she inspires to also start playing drums or to work on getting better playing those drums and for that fact this girl deserves all the credit she can get..

But besides that, all the 'forum stars' here are always shouting how important promotional skills are for a musician, maybe even more important than drumming skills..Now, also regarding that, with this girl you have a perfect example..

The fact that you are not able to write any reply in this thread without the words 'boobs', 'naked' and in this case even 'porn', says much more about you as a person than about this girl as a drummer and all that sh*t has completely no place in a thread like this..
 
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The fact that you are not able to write any reply in this thread without the words 'boobs', 'naked' and in this case even 'porn', says much more about you as a person than about this girl as a drummer and all that sh*t has completely no place in a thread like this..
No no, stop it, you don't know me as a person, you should stop being offensive.
You guys consider her being mentionable, I don't at all and picked the wrong words.
There's nothing more to say.
 

GetAgrippa

Platinum Member
Wow 700,000 followers and 300 videos. Weird. Just checking out Dereck Roddy's site and he has 13,858 followers and 60 something videos. Chris Adler has only 9.8k followers, Travis Barker little over 310k, Jason Bittner has 3k, Cindy Blackman 3k, Anika Niles has 176k followers. Dang now I want to check all the DW listed drummers to see if they have a YT account and how many followers and how many videos. From what I can tell preliminarily the success of YT doesn't seem to equate to "drumming success" but that could be sampling error at this point??
 

speedytina

Member
To the tiny minority here who still cannot accept Sina-Drums as a bonified drummer worthy of note, here is a promo for the four-part (4 hrs total) documentary that I mentioned earlier in a previous comment: "The Art of Drumming". The YouTube post is from the producers of the show themselves; so the words are not mine. I quote from the video information, "Join 30 of the best drummers in the world including Chad Smith, Steve White, Ginger Baker, Clem Burke and many more as they show us the art of drumming." Sina-Drums was among the 30 drummers that were chosen for this documentary. It was directed by renowned music filmmaker Chris Wilson who referred to the lesser-known participants as "fantastic drummers". Sina-Drums contribution was to speak about and demonstrate the unique drumming style of none other than Keith Moon. Imagine that! It is noteworthy that apparently none of the better-known drummers in the series had any objections over Sina's inclusion in the documentary. That alone speaks volumes. So, to that tiny minority I refer to, please try to accept the fact that she is indeed worthy of note.

P.S. Where it mentions "airing September", it was actually Sept of last year. :)

 
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bud7h4

Silver Member
To the tiny minority here who still cannot accept Sina-Drums as a bonified drummer worthy of note, here is a promo for the four-part (4 hrs total) documentary that I mentioned earlier in a previous comment: "The Art of Drumming". The YouTube post is from the producers of the show themselves; so the words are not mine. I quote from the video information, "Join 30 of the best drummers in the world including Chad Smith, Steve White, Ginger Baker, Clem Burke and many more as they show us the art of drumming." Sina-Drums was among the 30 drummers that were chosen for this documentary. It was directed by renowned music filmmaker Chris Wilson who referred to the lesser-known participants as "fantastic drummers". Sina-Drums contribution was to speak about and demonstrate the unique talents of none other than Keith Moon. Imagine that! It is noteworthy that apparently none of the better-known drummers in the series had any objections over Sina's inclusion in the documentary. That alone speaks volumes. So, to that tiny minority I refer to, please try to accept the fact that she is indeed worthy of note.

P.S. Where it mentions "airing September", it was actually Sept of last year. :)

"30 of the best drummers in the world . . . "

I hope you realize the level of prestige to that group depends on the size of the pool of drummers assumed to be the overall best in the world. Is it 30 of the best million drummers in the world?

30 "of the best" in the world could include you or me.
 
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