Saw the movie “Count me in”

This is crazy, but Son of Vistalite Black does believe that awards -- particularly the Oscars -- signify qualify. Here are some timeless, broadly enjoyed movies that have won Best Picture: "The Godfather," "Rocky," "Schindler's List" and "The Sound of freakin' Music."

The Rottentomatoes audience score is not a "sales rating." It's the averaged rating ticket buyers award to a movie they've watched. There's also a less important average for each movie based on critic's ratings.

Please suggest some evidence that "the public" believed or believes that the Farmer's Insurance Guy throwing cymbals at someone's head was historical rather than fictional. C'mon now.

Farmers Insurance Guy....awesome

I have evidence, but just not recorded because it was during conversations at instrument fitting nights that I do for my beginning bands. Multiple sets of parents referencing that movie in many different ways. Some could see through it, some thought that that was what was going to happen to their students in band at any level.
 
I'm a drummer. I'm also an author/poet/screenwriter/playright. I liked "Whiplash" a lot. I've watched it several times. It's a great screenplay it has all the elements of a successful script. It was filmed brilliantly, directed well, and acted well. It's fiction it takes liberties. It's not meant to portray college jazz accurately or even playing a kit accurately. It's not a documentary. It's meant to be entertaining. And it is.

Anybody see the western movie "Hostiles"? Early scenes of the mother and two daughters the idyllic pristinely clean cabin in New Mexico. The mom and girls are well scrubbed like they're going to a party. Lipstick makeup nice clothes the works. Totally unrealistic. But movie is still entertaining (but not great).

How about the series "The Good Lord Bird", a fictionalized account of John Brown, told from the point-of-view of the fictional character Henry Shackleford, who introduces himself after telling us that Brown rescued him from slavery mistaking him for a girl. No such person existed. It doesn't detract from the series being entertaining.

Getting back to Bo's original post about the documentary on drummers and drums - I found that documentary lacking a lot. The portrayal of drummers as mostly wild cards way out there bizarro "Animal" from Muppets-like I find far more issues with that documentary than the fictional story told in Whiplash.
 
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This is crazy, but Son of Vistalite Black does believe that awards -- particularly the Oscars -- signify qualify. Here are some timeless, broadly enjoyed movies that have won Best Picture: "The Godfather," "Rocky," "Schindler's List" and "The Sound of freakin' Music."

The Rottentomatoes audience score is not a "sales rating." It's the averaged rating ticket buyers award to a movie they've watched. There's also a less important average for each movie based on critic's ratings.

Please suggest some evidence that "the public" believed or believes that the Farmer's Insurance Guy throwing cymbals at someone's head was historical rather than fictional. C'mon now.

FYI - Whiplash was nominated but it didn't win Best Picture. An amazing film, Birdman, won in 2014.

Casablanca, Hamlet, All The King's Men, All About Eve, From Here to Eternity, On The Waterfront, Marty, Bridge on The River Kwai all won. All amazing movies. Entertaining.

I don't think there was a real Ben-Hur character but that doesn't keep the Oscar-winning movie from being great.

The Apartment, Lawrence of Arabia. Winners. Great movies.

Ok ok I quit. I think I made my point and same point as Son of Vistalite.

There are a few exceptions - Kramer vs Kramer Winning over All That Jazz and Apocalypse Now. Titanic over Good Will Hunting. American Beauty over Cider House Rules and The Green Mile. Gladiator winning what a farce. Lord of the Rings over Mystic River OMG. And how did Around The World in 80 Days even get nominated, least of all win over Giant. But they're all still good movies. And winning or being nominated is more often than not an indication of achievement of quality in film.
 
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FYI - Whiplash was nominated but it didn't win Best Picture. An amazing film, Birdman, won in 2014.

Casablanca, Hamlet, All The King's Men, All About Eve, From Here to Eternity, On The Waterfront, Marty, Bridge on The River Kwai all won. All amazing movies. Entertaining.

I don't think there was a real Ben-Hur character but that doesn't keep the Oscar-winning movie from being great.

The Apartment, Lawrence of Arabia. Winners. Great movies.

Ok ok I quit. I think I made my point and same point as Son of Vistalite.

There are a few exceptions - Kramer vs Kramer Winning over All That Jazz and Apocalypse Now. Titanic over Good Will Hunting. American Beauty over Cider House Rules and The Green Mile. Gladiator winning what a farce. Lord of the Rings over Mystic River OMG. And how did Around The World in 80 Days even get nominated, least of all win over Giant. But they're all still good movies. And winning or being nominated is more often than not an indication of achievement of quality in film.

Pulp Fiction losing to Forrest Gump was another big whoops. Though both movies followed the journey of two low-IQ characters -- Forrest and Vincent Vega (Travolta) struggling to contend with extraordinary events and largely meeting the challenge while wearing a variety of unusual garments.
 
Regarding awards, yep, that's what I knew. The Oscar's have never struck me as very credible. That gies for most all of the awards shows.

There are undeniable pieces that fit the claimed intent which win, but many are just as the Simpson's suggested.

Never liked Rocky. Never saw the whole movie or any of them.
 
Surely those people (members of the standing ovation) never studied Jazz Drums at a University/College, or any other subject at a University in the USA.

Where have you heard that a teacher can hit his students and insult them and authorities/parents/students won't expel him?

The topics that are discussed are not at the level of University Jazz students, much less of members of what is supposed to be the main big band of the school, they are things for beginners and people who are not musicians.

These are not the only absurdities of the film but probably the most significants I remember.
Yeah but it’s a movie..
Artistic license for general entertainment.
I don’t know anyone who’s seen it and thought it was actually like that when you study drums at a University/College..
It’s like a soldier watching Predator then getting annoyed because it’s not a real military experience! Just a movie man..
 
Remember when "Forrest Gump" ran across America for 1,170 days? Wasn't realistic, but it was dramatic.
Nack wishes Forrest Gump would have taken up the drumset instead of ping pong. ”I just kept drumming”

"and then one day, I beat this guy in a drum off. I don’t know why everyone was so impressed, he never even practiced."

Buddy Gump Music Store… come on, it writes itself.
 
"My kid is not allowed to drum because I saw the movie movie Whiplash, and I don't want that to happen to my kid" <---- very common statement I have received when polling new band students for what they want to play.
EDIT: My Snowflake, whom I am a helicopter parent for in the participation award group here at our local cult, will not be subjected to anything other than positve re-enforcement without consequences or struggle.....
 
wow three pages on/surrounding/ this movie; must be something let's watch the trailer




Seems pretty good! lol
 
Yes Bo , I’ve seen it and enjoyed it as well .

Regarding music movies, well whiplash since it’s being discussed so much ,…….
I enjoyed it also . But, but,but……….
It’s a…….MOVIE ! Some things true and applicable, and some things not for the purposes of entertainment through artistic license 🤷🏻‍♂️. If a parent or anyone else for that matter regards a movie as truth in this case or for any other subject , and based their parenting decisions for their child on said movie well then they are delusional and their kids have far more problems in their future than being kept out of music and or drumming or whatever the case may be . It’s certainly sad if that happens , but in my opinion only , the movie is not to blame . Most movies aren’t based on reality but have some elements of truth to them . Some movies state……. Based on a true story but even then any rational person knows everything is not factual and artistic license is taken for the movie to be marketable ,entertaining , and satisfying.
It’s not because we ( many of us)
( relating to whiplash) just know more than the general public about the topic and know it’s not factual , but mostly , or at least should be , because we know it’s a MOVIE 🤷🏻‍♂️.
I seriously question these parents mental state and critical thinking process if concerns over the movie or their questions or comments are anything but only halfway
( tongue in check) remotely serious 🤷🏻‍♂️🙄😂.
God help us if they think a movie is real life😳
 
EDIT: My Snowflake, whom I am a helicopter parent for in the participation award group here at our local cult, will not be subjected to anything other than positve re-enforcement without consequences or struggle.....

exactly.....

but I still would not get my expectations across to my kid in the "Whiplash" way....if you resort to that, it proves that you are not a good teacher
 
Surely those people (members of the standing ovation) never studied Jazz Drums at a University/College, or any other subject at a University in the USA.

Where have you heard that a teacher can hit his students and insult them and authorities/parents/students won't expel him?

The topics that are discussed are not at the level of University Jazz students, much less of members of what is supposed to be the main big band of the school, they are things for beginners and people who are not musicians.

These are not the only absurdities of the film but probably the most significants I remember.
Not unusual, just look at the amount of sexual abuse collegiate gymnasts endured.
 
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