I also use a 20" Sabian Pro. I think it is an old one like mine because mine is from the mid-90's. I have the Pro hi-hats too. They sound great to me. The B8 version is a less expensive revival of that line much like the new ImperialStars vs the old vintage ones from the 70's-80's.I have a sabian pro 20 inch ride that i got about a year and a half ago from my old drum teacher. I tried to find some other from pro online and i cant. I just get results for b8 pro. I even went on the sabian website. Im guessing they discontinued the line. Does anyone know?