Just purchased one of these behemoths used at my local music store. Jimmy Degrasso signature model, only 200 made. This thing is a beast, exactly what I needed to cut through a Marshall stack. Exceptionally loud, especially the 8" raw bell. I love this bell for its variety of tones and silky sound when played gently. Plus I can rest assured I'll always be heard. Complex dark ride sounds, great for hard rock or metal. Not super crashable. I understand now why it's limited edition. This cymbal is not for everyone! But it turned out to be just what I needed. Cheers!