I agree. I don’t even think digital manipulation is a bad thing - it offers so many creative opportunities. But it’s too easy and clearly overdone in modern recordings. By comparison, splicing tape is time consuming and an art in itself. I guess the effort involved helped the guys (of twenty plus years ago) know when to stop.But What Rick is demonstrating is in a whole other league in my opinion.
It was surprising to me to see the tracks analysed. As an average listener, I never put on Roxanne and thought “my god, this is all over the place!”My favourite part is the end where he lists the tempos in some famous songs which have a solid groove.
I don’t think a click track or some level of quantisation is a necessarily bad thing. I just think my idea of perfect is less than perfect. I’m not sure that I’d fare that well in a test of “this was recorded with a click, this was recorded without, this was gridded”, but I think I have a subconscious bias for the human element.I have a double standard when it comes to the Q word.
Nor I, but I remember an interview with Stewart Copeland from some time in the 80s where he specifically said you need to speed up a bit going into the chorus or else it'll feel like you're slowing down. In other words, Copeland actively believed the tempo should breathe a bit, but he's so good that it simply feels organic and right when he does it.It was surprising to me to see the tracks analysed. As an average listener, I never put on Roxanne and thought “my god, this is all over the place!”
There seems to be some confusion... Using a click track during recording isn't what Rick is talking about here. It's the actual quantizing and snapping performances to the grid or cut/paste production that results. Humans playing along to a click isn't even in the same category as the computer-cobbled-together music he's complaining about.My son's other band project is getting ready to go into the studio to record, but because of what they are and how they play, they can't really put things on a click track - while they "could" do it, it would take more effort than it's worth, so they are going to go in and live track it.
I think that having this ability is a good thing - bigger mistakes can be fixed, but I agree that a general feel/groove shouldn't be messed with. That feel is what makes us what we are as musicians. With that said, I don't think that tracking with a click track is necessarily a bad thing - it allows for some consistency with time without killing basic feel.
No confusion - I know what he was talking about and I agree - I watched the whole video, beginning to end.There seems to be some confusion... Using a click track during recording isn't what Rick is talking about here. It's the actual quantizing and snapping performances to the grid or cut/paste production that results. Humans playing along to a click isn't even in the same category as the computer-cobbled-together music he's complaining about.
I can't speak for the collective, but I always try to bear in mind that "typing on the Internet" isn't my first language and a lot can get lost in translation. I got what part of the video you were referring to and how it related to your son's music (on a side note - exciting times, eh?). Always hope/assume that no-one is trying to be dismissive - if they are, it's on them, not you.Man - have I don't something wrong here recently? It's like everyone wants to pick apart my posts and prove to me that they know more than I do. It's been bad lately.