Not good, and I don't think we should have that again.
You'd think that someone has suggested that the whole site be re-dedicated to religious discussions. I don't see anything wrong with the occasional thread about the subject popping up from time to time. One little thread isn't going to force people to stop talking about ride-cymbal technique or double-bass-drum speed or whatever.Come on, give an inch and let us go back in drums!
Thank you very much. You nailed it. That was the meaning for my posting this thread. I just wish that I was as literate as you.I think, in the end, that the Christian Drummers Get All The Work thread is the only one that really offended people, be they atheists, of another religion, Christians who disagreed, or Christians who got insulted by other people in that thread. This happened because that thread became a full-blown religious discussion, with nothing about drumming after the first few posts. Not good, and I don't think we should have that again.
With that said, a lot of religious drummers, and it seems that especially Christian drummers, believe that their drumming comes from God, should be used for God, etc. There is no reason to say they can't express that. In a thread about "what motivates you to drum," if the answer is "God," then that person should be allowed to express that. And should have the ability to express that without getting banned, or without having every atheist drummer jump down his throat and call him an idiot.
So I think that purely religious discussions should be banned from here, and those posts that are purely religious, without relating to drumming, should be deleted. That way, when the conversation goes:
Person 1: All this bad stuff has happened lately, I feel like God might be telling me to quit drumming.
Person 2: Nah, stick with it, man, we all have hard times.
Person 3: God doesn't exist, so no.
Person 4: Person 3 is an idiot, and will burn in hell
Person 5: Hey man, no worries, if you love drumming, you'll stay with it.
Person 3 and 4 would have their posts deleted, and be given warnings (which can lead to bannings), but the actual discussion, about what the drummer is feeling, related to drumming, can stay.
This allows for stuff like, "Question about drumming in church," "Here are pics of the new kit at my church," "I play Christian rock," and stuff like that, but leave out, "If you don't know Jesus, you will burn in flames for all eternity, loser," or "If you believe in God you're an idiot and when worms are eating you, you will have wasted your pitiful life, loser."
Ah, I see. Then why are you posting in this thread, pray tell?Then why did you persist in posting in that thread?
Any thread in which there's a sniff of religion will envitably 'flourish', because there will always be handful of posters who can't resist saying their piece. As has been said below, it's your responsibility to stop yourself from posting. And i'm not convinced by those claiming to be offended by the subject matter, as they seem to be first in the queue to get involved. Aside from all of that, the subject is incredibly boring, as the same banal arguments are regurgitated. It's more interesting reading threads about drum racks.
Indeed, it is. My outlook on it is, this is Bernhard's house. He has house rules. He and the mods, NJ and DB do a terrific job of hosting. If they want to be lenient with those rules, from time to time, enjoy their hospitality. Don't abuse it. I hear the terms "freedom of speech", "censorship", etc., being thrown around. Funny, I don't recall Drummerworld being a democracy. Don't recall it having a "Constitution" guaranteeing us anything. It's Bernhard's dime. So I don't think we are protected by "freedom of speech". People who want a really, really, really long leash can (for $5 a month) start up a typepad blog and rant morning, noon, and night about any and all the taboo subjects (religion, gun control, abortion, politics, etc). On your dime, do whatever you want to do. On Bernhard's time, please respect the man. He's payin' something like $3.5K a month to throw this party...... this is less a thread on religion as it is a thread concerning the forum.
To say my piece, as with any other post. Remember that this is less a thread on religion as it is a thread concerning the forum.
That's because God hates jazz. (Easy, I am WAY kidding here!!)Yes, talking about most anything with a wide range of personalities from all over the world is certainly volatile. Let's remember that the thread that was most volatile thread this week was not the Christianity thread, but the one on jazz.
I don't mean to over belabor a point; but can you see that your post exemplifies what I have been saying? You don't think that God is involved with drumming or running a race for that matter, so you don't think this is the place to discuss it. It is a decision (your opinion) that you have made based on personal feelings and beliefs. And I am happy that you have made that decision. It is a great decision.That's because God hates jazz. (Easy, I am WAY kidding here!!)
But seriously folks, I don't think God cares about drumming any more than he cares about athletes winning games, etc. (My opinion). So maybe this is not the place to discuss anything irrelevant to DRUMS and DRUMMING?
That was because (as is always the case when the discussion turns to jazz) there were so many adamant posts made by people who don't know what they're talking about, people who somehow think that it's a sort of birthright they have as drummers to have some "knowledge," something relevant to say about a kind of music they've obviously never really played.Let's remember that the thread that was most volatile thread this week was not the Christianity thread, but the one on jazz.
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