Real Gretsch drums or no?

hmmasters

Member
Hi everyone, I will be looking at a set this weekend but I'm skeptical about whether it's actually a Gretsch drumkit. The owner said it has a snare from the 60's but I'm skeptical. Either way, What are your thoughts on the bass drum tom mount? I haven't found a gretsch drumkit that has two tom mount arms coming from the bass drum quite like this one. The ones I've seen the metal bars are super close together?

I'll be looking at the the Gretsch badges if they have some. I also plan to open the drums and inspect the insides for plys and sealant/glue.

Any experts out there that can spot a fake easily?
 

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larryace

"Uncle Larry"
Red Flags all over the place. Just walk.

NEXT!

Real Gretsch USA have silver sealer inside, die cast hoops

Gretsch rack toms have 5 lugs, these have 6

Some things look right, but more things look wrong. The rack tom mounting brackets look right to me. The lugs sort of look right in that bad pic. The finish looks sort of close to Gretsch's walnut finish. The badge I can't tell.

It's got scam written all over it. Good idea checking in here first.

We should try and beat him to the punch and scam him first, the scumbag

Like a bunch of drummers show up at the meeting place and make him wet his panties.
 
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toddbishop

Platinum Member
Maybe it's Gretsch Blackhawk, which are garbage. No matter what brand is on it, it's obviously generic Taiwan junk. Snare drum looks like an old Rogers student drum? Not particularly good or valuable that I'm aware of. I would want no part of any of that.
 

harryconway

Platinum Member
Your photo next to a Gretsch Blackhawk I got off the internet ......
 

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GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
The tom mount could have been added to a virgin bass drum. I added one to my Renown bass drum, and the silver sealer is not on the lower lines.
 

wildbill

Platinum Member
They don't make Blackhawks anymore. Current bottom of the line is Energy:

But about the drums in the first post - I've seen enough stuff done to drums over the years
that the only ones I can be sure of are new out of the box ones.

Switching mounts is fairly common.
Lugs, rims, badges, bearing edges, finishes, vents, claws, rods, spurs,
and almost anything you can shake a stick at can be changed or modified.
If they sound good, the price is right, and you don't plan on misrepresenting them when you sell them,
then there shouldn't be any problems.
 
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TK-421

Senior Member
A) These drums are most likely Blackhawks. In other words, the lowest of the low end, and Gretsch should have never slapped their good name onto them.

B) Even if they were Gretsch USA Customs, which they clearly are not, just from the layers and layers of caked on dust, I'd pass on these. If someone can't even be bothered to clean up their kit before snapping pictures to sell them, then you know it's someone who does not treat their gear well at all.

A + B = a definitely no from me.
 

Stroman

Platinum Member
Gretsch? Possibly. In the slightest desirable? Not even a little.

Now, that snare drum looks like it may be a Rogers, which would be desirable. The pics aren't good enough to tell anything about it, though.
 

NouveauCliche

Senior Member
Hi everyone, I will be looking at a set this weekend but I'm skeptical about whether it's actually a Gretsch drumkit. The owner said it has a snare from the 60's but I'm skeptical. Either way, What are your thoughts on the bass drum tom mount? I haven't found a gretsch drumkit that has two tom mount arms coming from the bass drum quite like this one. The ones I've seen the metal bars are super close together?

I'll be looking at the the Gretsch badges if they have some. I also plan to open the drums and inspect the insides for plys and sealant/glue.

Any experts out there that can spot a fake easily?

It looks like an older Gretsch Blackhawk or maybe an energy set.

However - those are really only "Gretsch" in branding alone...it's one of the only series that I don't really have any connection too on any level - I'm sure there's better kits out there. Unless it's a screaming deal - like $300 - I would steer clear.
 

GetAgrippa

Platinum Member
I'd walk it's a DINO-Drums in name only ROFL. We had a DINO here at one time-A Drummer in Name only. But I guess he took all his toys, he didn't play with, and took them home. Fun times eh.
 

bongoman

Junior Member
Eh, nah, I mean it all might be worth that much in a resale sense, but I can think of a lot better ways to spend $350. Unless maybe you want a kit for your kid’s new punk band?
 

hmmasters

Member
Thank you all for the help. One more question:

How about this kit, advertised as a usa custom?
This one looks much more convincing, clean, obvious square badge. What would you pay?
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wraub

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That looks much more like the real thing. :)


Thank you all for the help. One more question:

How about this kit, advertised as a usa custom?
This one looks much more convincing, clean, obvious square badge. What would you pay?
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opentune

Platinum Member
Gretsch? Possibly. In the slightest desirable? Not even a little.

Now, that snare drum looks like it may be a Rogers, which would be desirable. The pics aren't good enough to tell anything about it, though.

It is indeed a Rogers, looks like a wood Powertone maybe a Dyna.
I'd actually go for that...buy all for $300, flip the cymbals and kit and keep the Powertone for free.
 
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