Problems with Remo Controlled Sound Reverse Dot Coated snare heads

Bull

Gold Member
I have some version of a bottom dot on all my snares. I have never had an issue. Back in the day, I used clear CS with top dots. Those would eventually bubble but it took a very long time.
 
T

The SunDog

Guest
Hit me up with the details on your experience with the EMAD. I'd love to help and figure out what the issue was. I'd be happy to send a replacement.
I appreciate the offer EvansSpecialist, it's very generous, but it's been around two years since my Emad experience. I really loved the sound from them but the plastic retaining rings cracked every time causing a buzzing sound. I bought three in less than a year. I was disappointed mostly because they sounded great and I really wanted them to work for me.
 

EvansSpecialist

Silver Member
I appreciate the offer EvansSpecialist, it's very generous, but it's been around two years since my Emad experience. I really loved the sound from them but the plastic retaining rings cracked every time causing a buzzing sound. I bought three in less than a year. I was disappointed mostly because they sounded great and I really wanted them to work for me.
I'm actually very concerned about this as we've yet to have a single instance with a defective head that was manufactured since the change. It's entirely possible that, though you ordered the heads recently, they were manufactured prior to the date of engineering change. I'm very serious about wanting to provide a replacement and requesting the date code from the side of any failed product you may have. Please send me a PM or an email at ben.smith (at) daddario.com if you're interested. Thanks!
 

drumhammerer

Silver Member
I've heard of this dot problem on Evan's heads before, so it can happen. Maybe a bad batch of adhesive, or adverse weather conditions f'ing them up in storage. I think a lot of Remo's problems have been a result of tougher environmental regulation forcing them to adopt changes that aren't as durable. This is likely why Aquarian moved their manufacturing to Mexico.
 

Yoshinya

Senior Member
I've heard of this dot problem on Evan's heads before, so it can happen. Maybe a bad batch of adhesive, or adverse weather conditions f'ing them up in storage. I think a lot of Remo's problems have been a result of tougher environmental regulation forcing them to adopt changes that aren't as durable. This is likely why Aquarian moved their manufacturing to Mexico.
The reason I heard for the move to Mexico was the reason why a lot of US companies move their manufacturing to the far East or South America - cost of labor.

Now, to be fair, those workforces can absolutely make a quality product... but in my experience, Aquarian's quality got pretty sketchy for a while after the move to Mexico.

I had a Focus-X snare batter completely split on me after less than two hours of play time shortly after the move. I tried what used to be my old faithful, Texture Coated Reverse Dot, post move, on a different snare entirely, and that split on me as well. I emailed Aquarian about this, expressing my concern, and after about a week (he'd been out of the office for bit), Roy Burns offered to replace both heads. Since I needed a working snare that weekend, I ran and grabbed an Evans Coated Power Center and found that I loved how it felt and sounded on my Tama Starclassic Maple snare.

I felt bad turning down Roy's offer of replacement, but I'm glad it forced me to check out Evans again.

For the record - I've used TONS of the Power Center and Power Center Reverse Dot heads since switching to Evans, and have never had an issue with the dot coming off the head, no matter how long I've been playing it. I think it may be partially due to the stress-relief slots on the design of the dot?
 

EvansSpecialist

Silver Member
I felt bad turning down Roy's offer of replacement, but I'm glad it forced me to check out Evans again.

For the record - I've used TONS of the Power Center and Power Center Reverse Dot heads since switching to Evans, and have never had an issue with the dot coming off the head, no matter how long I've been playing it. I think it may be partially due to the stress-relief slots on the design of the dot?
Glad to hear that you're enjoying the heads! The slots do help with stress-relief. Still, if anyone ever experiences any sort of issue, I'll happily take care of it. Email is always the best way to get in touch with me but I'll always be present here in the forum.

For those of you that don't have my email, it's ben.smith@daddario.com.
 

Bull

Gold Member
My roommate works for a backline rental company. Last week,they sent a WFL III snare out to a Quiet Riot gig in South Florida. Frankie didn't use it. It spent the evening on its side, behind the riser,as a backup.It was outfitted with a Coated CS. When it returned to the shop ,they inspected the drum. The dot had slid off center by a couple of inches!!!

I have never seen that
 

SgtThump

Platinum Member
I just had issues this week with the black dot on the underside coming off while playing. It was starting to peel within 5 minutes and was halfway off in 30 minutes. Remo has a replacement on the way to me.

My other snare has had one of these on it for 6 months or more and has been through gigs, rehearsals, and recording. Never had a problem with the dot.

Again, it's inconsistency with Remo. The coating on some heads comes off almost immediately, while it stays there for along time on others. Same with the dot. I don't get it.

I think they're changing stuff up, because how else could this be so inconsistent?

Too bad I really like their tone best, though.
 

Attachments

EvansSpecialist

Silver Member
I just had issues this week with the black dot on the underside coming off while playing. It was starting to peel within 5 minutes and was halfway off in 30 minutes. Remo has a replacement on the way to me.

My other snare has had one of these on it for 6 months or more and has been through gigs, rehearsals, and recording. Never had a problem with the dot.

Again, it's inconsistency with Remo. The coating on some heads comes off almost immediately, while it stays there for along time on others. Same with the dot. I don't get it.

I think they're changing stuff up, because how else could this be so inconsistent?
Let me know if you're interested in checking out some other options.
 

customdrum

Senior Member
I just bought a Remo Controlled Sound X with Black Dot on Bottom and im a heavy hitter hopefully this wont happen with that model head, it has the dot glued to the bottom as well.
This is the 1st time ive ever bought a remo snare head always used evans on snares, might be the last remo head i buy.

I have always used evans emad bass heads and always bought them musicians friend. only had the last head I bought have the plastic ring come unglued from the head in spots and it was after about 3 months of playing, the 3 previous emad heads before that never came loose or unglued from the head and I played on them for a year each.
 

EvansSpecialist

Silver Member
I have always used evans emad bass heads and always bought them musicians friend. only had the last head I bought have the plastic ring come unglued from the head in spots and it was after about 3 months of playing, the 3 previous emad heads before that never came loose or unglued from the head and I played on them for a year each.
If you ever experience something like that, I'm definitely interested in finding out more about the issue and sending you a replacement. Do you still have the head? Feel free to send a message to me with the details and I'll send you a replacement.

Ben.smith@daddario.com
 

SgtThump

Platinum Member
Let me know if you're interested in checking out some other options.
Hey! Thanks for replying. Remo did send me two replacement snare heads, which was nice. I really do love the tone of those heads, but I've experimented with Evans a few times and just made the full jump to Evans on one of my kits.

Just bought the frosted versions of the EQ3 bass batter and EC SST tom batters and a coated version of the G1 for my snare. Put these on my Yamaha Live Custom kit and they rock!!!

Also... I've never said this before on here, because it's not a huge deal. But my Grandma's sister (my great aunt) married Bob Beals before he started Evans and grew that company with him. So... I was related through marriage, but only met him once and it was long before I started playing drums. We had alot of round stickers around the house that said "evans drum heads - dodge city kansas" on them.

What a bummer! Wish I was deep into drums back when I met him!!
 

EvansSpecialist

Silver Member
Hey! Thanks for replying. Remo did send me two replacement snare heads, which was nice. I really do love the tone of those heads, but I've experimented with Evans a few times and just made the full jump to Evans on one of my kits.

Just bought the frosted versions of the EQ3 bass batter and EC SST tom batters and a coated version of the G1 for my snare. Put these on my Yamaha Live Custom kit and they rock!!!

Also... I've never said this before on here, because it's not a huge deal. But my Grandma's sister (my great aunt) married Bob Beals before he started Evans and grew that company with him. So... I was related through marriage, but only met him once and it was long before I started playing drums. We had alot of round stickers around the house that said "evans drum heads - dodge city kansas" on them.

What a bummer! Wish I was deep into drums back when I met him!!
Glad to hear that you've been checking out the Evans heads and enjoying them! That's quite the story about your great aunt- definitely a small world.

Cheers!
 

cosmictraveler

Junior Member
I have had exactly the same problem with the reverse dot coming apart from the head with two different remo heads. Musiciansfriend replaced it once, and it happened again. For the record, I am not a hard hitter.
 

SgtThump

Platinum Member
I had my doubts about remo, and this video confirmed it.
The coating on both top toms is worn all the way to the mylar within minutes, and the dot on the CS dot is peeling off from the head by the time ten minutes is up. Granted we have Thomas Lang playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1532&v=Tia3nieOu0o
Wow... You're right. Anyone that doubts some people's accounts of the Remo coating wearing within minutes or the dot falling off should be pointed to this video.

That stinks. I love the Remo tone.
 

dzarren

Senior Member
Honestly, I'd be embarrassed this video was out there if I was remo.
I'm not even at the end yet, but that dot is flyingggg off. It's the consistency, that floor tom head seems just fine.
I'll assume the kick head is fine, but 3/5 faulty batter heads is just awful. How can I even be sure my heads will hold up for one gig, I'm no Thomas lang, who would naturally get new heads every gig!

I wonder what Thomas is thinking as he sits behind the kit barley halfway through the podcast, with his equipment a flying to bits.
 
Top