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If the kid doesn't want to play drums, why force them?
It's not like being forced to learn your multiplication tables.
It's not like being forced to learn your multiplication tables.
I've come across this more than a few times in my years teaching
it can be exhausting and infuriating
my theory is... as long as they are paying I will try to figure out a way to get her engaged ... I take it as a challenge and a way to improve my people and teaching skills ... when they stop I feel that I have failed so I do everything I can to make them love music and feel like they can create unique things when they have passion for something
when I've had the most success is when I just spend time getting to know the student ... we may spend an entire lesson or two just bonding on things they are interested in ... maybe its music, video games, a TV show, dancing, flowers, ice cream, whatever ... once I find something I milk it
we as teachers often have to drop the academic stuff and become playmates and friends at times ...
sounds like dad is obviously taking the fun out of life ... so I would take it upon myself to inject the fun back into it
games work wonders ... kids love a good competition ... they are competitive by nature ... I always use things like memory games where it is like the game Simon ... I play something ... they repeat it ... starting crazy simple and I add something on each time ...
I keep score on a dry erase board and they love that ... they want to WIN !!!
find a song she likes ... and don't even pick up the sticks for a lesson ... just dance to the song ... talk about the song and what is going on in it....
talk about things like how you picture the drummer recording it dressed as a clown or in his underwear or whatever and have her air drum to it pretending to be the drummer ... kids have awesome senses of humor like that
do you play another instrument ?.... piano ?.. guitar ?
if you do ... that is a great help ...
I play guitar with all my students ... we play cover songs together ... we write songs together ... they love to write lyrics ....
it has to be fun ... she has to feel like she is contributing and not just being told what to do
I'm interested to hear how this plays out for it is very close to home for me
I'll probably experience something like it today actually ...
I've come across this more than a few times in my years teaching
it can be exhausting and infuriating
my theory is... as long as they are paying I will try to figure out a way to get her engaged ... I take it as a challenge and a way to improve my people and teaching skills ... when they stop I feel that I have failed so I do everything I can to make them love music and feel like they can create unique things when they have passion for something
when I've had the most success is when I just spend time getting to know the student ... we may spend an entire lesson or two just bonding on things they are interested in ... maybe its music, video games, a TV show, dancing, flowers, ice cream, whatever ... once I find something I milk it
we as teachers often have to drop the academic stuff and become playmates and friends at times ...
sounds like dad is obviously taking the fun out of life ... so I would take it upon myself to inject the fun back into it
games work wonders ... kids love a good competition ... they are competitive by nature ... I always use things like memory games where it is like the game Simon ... I play something ... they repeat it ... starting crazy simple and I add something on each time ...
I keep score on a dry erase board and they love that ... they want to WIN !!!
find a song she likes ... and don't even pick up the sticks for a lesson ... just dance to the song ... talk about the song and what is going on in it....
talk about things like how you picture the drummer recording it dressed as a clown or in his underwear or whatever and have her air drum to it pretending to be the drummer ... kids have awesome senses of humor like that
do you play another instrument ?.... piano ?.. guitar ?
if you do ... that is a great help ...
I play guitar with all my students ... we play cover songs together ... we write songs together ... they love to write lyrics ....
it has to be fun ... she has to feel like she is contributing and not just being told what to do
I'm interested to hear how this plays out for it is very close to home for me
I'll probably experience something like it today actually ...
..we may spend an entire lesson or two just bonding on things they are interested in ... maybe its music, video games, a TV show, dancing, flowers, ice cream, whatever ... once I find something I milk it..
..sounds like dad is obviously taking the fun out of life ... so I would take it upon myself to inject the fun back into it..
games work wonders ... kids love a good competition ... they are competitive by nature ... I always use things like memory games where it is like the game Simon ... I play something ... they repeat it ... starting crazy simple and I add something on each time ...
I keep score on a dry erase board and they love that ... they want to WIN !!!
find a song she likes ... and don't even pick up the sticks for a lesson ... just dance to the song ... talk about the song and what is going on in it....
talk about things like how you picture the drummer recording it dressed as a clown or in his underwear or whatever and have her air drum to it pretending to be the drummer ... kids have awesome senses of humor like that..
I have a lot of respect for the drummer that you are and when having 50 students a week means that also as a teacher you have something going on, but with things like this you lose me a little in this thread..
The things i highlighted almost sound to me like we are dealing here with an autistic child with huge family issues that needs some music-therapy to get closer to her feelings and pleasure in life again..Which could be the case ofcourse, but thats not what i understood from the starting post of this thread..
In my opinion is anyway kinda difficult to give a decent advice in this case when not knowing the girl, her behaviour, the fathers behaviour, etc..Basically we are all just making assumptions with that..
I have a lot of respect for the drummer that you are and when having 50 students a week means that also as a teacher you have something going on, but with things like this you lose me a little in this thread..
The things i highlighted almost sound to me like we are dealing here with an autistic child with huge family issues that needs some music-therapy to get closer to her feelings and pleasure in life again..Which could be the case ofcourse, but thats not what i understood from the starting post of this thread..
In my opinion is anyway kinda difficult to give a decent advice in this case when not knowing the girl, her behaviour, the fathers behaviour, etc..Basically we are all just making assumptions with that..
..you obviously don't deal with children on a regular basis or have the slightest understanding of what it takes to amuse , inspire and motivate a child into exploring a creative process that they might not yet be comfortable with
99 out of 100 teachers give up on kids like this ... that won't be me ... I understand what it takes to gain a kids trust ... to make them laugh ... to find what inspires them ... to find the creativity in them.
my 14 years of successful teaching experience with a waiting list longer than I'll ever be able to accommodate and kids who I handed their first pair of sticks getting full scholarships into some of the best music schools in the world who went on to successful careers in the music business doesn't qualify me to hope YOU approve of things in my post ... it qualifies me to educate aspiring musicians and get the best out of them even when they don't believe themselves that they can do it
have a wonderful day..
With all respect, but we are here on a public forum where you post things and people from all over the world read them..And in the part of the world where i live, the things i highlighted in my previous post sound almost like going to therapy instead of a drumlesson, at least to me..There was no disrespect at all meant with that and if those things work for you then thats a fact..And besides that, my first post in this thread allready showed that i agree with 75% from what you say, just not with everything..But you are right, my opinion should be completely unimportant to you, but then i think i am still allowed to give that opinion..
I studied 6 years to become a highschool teacher btw and also worked as one..
And, without sarcasm, i wish you also a nice day..
..LOL.
You're pulling non-sense from thin air. Why are you assuming it's anything more than the OP made it out to be? We're talking about teaching drums, not diagnosing or dealing with autism or family issues. quite simply not the teacher's problems!..
drum lessons are very often like a therapy session
if any teacher is in a one on one situation with a difficult student and does not try to crack into their psyche to try to understand what the roadblock is and how they can tear it down ... how to inspire them... in my opinion they are a horrible teacher and should probably go get a job in construction or something where they don't have to deal with the complexities of children
you have to gain trust ... it is an emotional family type relationship to me ... I take my students seriously and they know me personally ... and I know their families
I am not trying to teach them to play drums ... I am trying to give them a craft that they can be proud of ... something that can build confidence ...
you want to learn how to play a paradiddle and then apply it to the set and be sent on your way ?... then don't come to me
we deal with real life over here ... and that doesn't always involve drum sticks
If I hated doing something I'd have no problemo frowning the entire time.