Political contribution$ and drumming

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Lee-Bro

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As a spin off from the "Experience at a local music store"...

We started to discuss how putting your political, religious, etc related view out in the public can be hurtful, to your business, especially if those view are polarizing or tend to be to the far end of the spectrum.

As a Financial Advisor, I have a regulatory requirement for me to disclose things such as client gifts, potential conflicts of interest, outside businesses, and political contributions. I have had clients look up my voter registration and ask me about it or tell me they were happy I'm registered the way I am. I've also had some of my clients who are elected officials ask me to contribute to their election fund. I tell them I don't contribute (I give "that" money to homeless shelters or a food bank) and am registered w/ a political party because Kentucky has a closed primary system and I want to vote in the primaries. I've never given a cent to a political campaign because I'd rather give it to a charity.

There are searchable databases out there where you can see who has contributed how much to whom, this is not new. What I have seen in recent years is that I have friends in their search for hiring contractors use these databases to see if the contractors or company leaders they hire have contributed to candidates/political parties they don't care for. I don't want to say it'll never happen to musicians, because never say never and you never know. It probably won't because musicians don't have any money to begin with. ;-)
 

Push pull stroke

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That’s creepy as heck. I wouldn’t do business with anyone who looked me up like that. For that matter, I might get a restraining order.
 

Lee-Bro

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PPS, it's all public information and easily accessible. The threshold for an RO is much higher.

For those who are curious: I work and have worked w/ clients who required me to not only provide references but go through a background check and sign an NDA. The regulatory environment of financial services requires a background check and confidentiality already. The type I've gone through w/ certain clients is more of personal character nature. It's not uncommon or heard of when working with people of significant means and/or a public profile. I haven't taken on every client who's asked me to do this. At the same time, I do my own research on prospective clients and have chosen not to taken on several whom I thought would be troublesome or frankly, I found out I didn't agree w/ on political and social issues.
 

KamaK

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This is one of the many reasons I register as a Libertarian, despite being politically unorthodox.
 

Push pull stroke

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PPS, it's all public information and easily accessible. The threshold for an RO is much higher.
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Depends on jurisdiction, and if they’re crazy enough to look up your political contributions, they’ve quite possibly done a lot of other spying as well. This is major-league creepy just for something simple like home repairs and renovation, and I would be unwilling to employ or do work for someone who behaved like this. It’s like you said, some clients are just too troublesome, and this behavior is just the red flag to warn me away.

I agree that long-term and confidential-type business requires more scrutiny, but....I don’t need to know someone’s political contributions to know if they’re competent, discreet, and trustworthy. Just my humble opinion.
 

cbphoto

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As a spin off from the "Experience at a local music store"...
I have walked into many stores—hardware, music, food, deli, auto repair—and experienced the guy spewing his opinion like he was God. It’s a defense mechanism. Nothing more. He may have facts to back up his vitriol, but nonetheless, it’s his method to establish his boundary. (Yeah, “his”. I’ve never experienced a woman spew politics into the ceiling.)

When I have time, I love to engage these people, no matter where they are on the spectrum.

This year, the classic response is, “I fucking love Trump!” Stand back and watch heads explode.

So much fun! Try it next time you’re cookin’ burgers for the neighbors. Make sure the video cam is recording. Post d’em videos here.

. . . and sign an NDA.
Ah. The ubiquitous NDA. The agreed-upon gag order. As a photographer I’ve signed a few dozen ‘cuz I see things (gadgets, widgets, whatnots) that make people money but have not yet been released into the wild.

They are deadly serious contracts. Leak a speck of info and your entire array of assets is gone. House, drums, bicycle, underwear: gone.

Too bad the FBI doesn’t make them SOP. 😮
 

GetAgrippa

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I thought we weren't suppose to talk politics or religion? Oh wait politics is a religion in the US but sadly there's just two major religions that hold all the power. One worships a white elephant and the other an ass. Oddly only 28% support one or the other-while most don't care for either apparently. Really binary thinking-it's a digital world after all LOL. Do the NDA hold in court? My brother had a non-compete clause a judge ruled against him when his ex-employee competed-though she signed the contract.
 

8Mile

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I don't know if it's really so bad to be out in the open about your politics in a career in music at this point. I get the sense that people trying to scratch out a living playing music are better served keeping their niche base happy rather than trying to appease everyone. The market is completely saturated, so unless you're one of the incredibly lucky to break through to stardom, you're probably going to get by on being true to who you are and being unafraid to be outspoken about it. That's probably why the people who like you are fans in the first place.
 

GetAgrippa

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I would never talk politics in the classroom-but in biology classes not much of a need to bring it up. Now students would always ask me about something but I'd tell them "The future isn't my opinion but yours-my job is to give you information so you can have informed opinions and make informed decisions". They hated that LOL. I would have class discussions on timely topics-but I'd preface I'd play the Devils advocate to stir the discussion so opinions not necessarily my own. I had a Chemistry professor in Undergrad who would do that but she would assign people different positions to defend. I remember one time she assigned I debate the reasons why we shouldn't have used Nuclear weapons to end WWII-needless to say it wasn't a popular position to defend at the time. The professor had to defend me after some personal insults and reminding them I was assigned the task. I was a long haired freaky looking dude at the time and this short haired military type seemed to want to hit me- because I was a long haired commie LOL.
 

GruntersDad

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I was in the men's room but I read in there at times. As Bermuda said, dangerous ground, tread lightly.
 

Mongrel

Silver Member
We're not.



We're not.

Let's control the direction of this please.

Bermuda
I was in the men's room but I read in there at times. As Bermuda said, dangerous ground, tread lightly.
My apologies to both of you guys...(and Andy). I realize my post came off much harsher than I intended. You all work hard enough keeping this place squared away for me to make that kind of comment....

I won't delete it because it has been quoted, but I have amended it somewhat to (hopefully) take the edge off it a little bit.

Thanks for all you do, and again "my apologies"...
 

bermuda

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I don't personally mind political talk as such. The problem is, it gets ugly. Really ugly. Fast. Always. Without fail. It's human nature. Nobody's ever found a way to be completely civil about it. EVER.

Religion was always regarded that way as well, but I think it's now less of a can of worms than politics has become over the last several decades.

Bermuda
 

MrInsanePolack

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"The future isn't my opinion but yours-my job is to give you information so you can have informed opinions and make informed decisions".
I've tried explaining this to my kid. I'm only here to teach you how to be a good person and a self reliant adult who can take care of themselves and make their own decisions. I think I did something wrong.
 

Push pull stroke

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I don't personally mind political talk as such. The problem is, it gets ugly. Really ugly. Fast. Always. Without fail. It's human nature. Nobody's ever found a way to be completely civil about it. EVER.

Religion was always regarded that way as well, but I think it's now less of a can of worms than politics has become over the last several decades.

Bermuda
I have to admit, I’m curious as to how political opinions on different policy areas correlate/track with preference for different musical styles. But I think you’re right, it’s a giant minefield that we should tread lightly on
 

cbphoto

Gold Member
I’m curious as to how political opinions on different policy areas correlate/track with preference for different musical styles.
It's rather obvious, IMO.

Republicans play death metal, with drummers of superior talent.
Democrats prefer flutes and lyre, but put up with drums 'cuz they're cool.
Libertarians don't even bother with tempos.
Socialists are still working on a bureaucracy to decide who plugs in the amp.

🙀

deletion in 3... 2...
 

GetAgrippa

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What's interesting studies of monozygotic twins and other studies indicate our ideological and political views has a large genetic component. I think some have linked it to a certain chromosomal area-but no specific gene-but I haven't followed this in awhile. Environment plays a role also, but what's freaky is some studies indicate gut flora contributes and changing gut flora by diet can flip you ideologically. Wow so the push for a "vegan diet" could be some conspiracy to flip people-wouldn't that be a hoot. Makes no sense to me as my two eldest brothers run antithetical to myself and younger sister-had same parents, had same food, same, blah, blah, blah-maybe we were adopted or pesticide exposure in utero altered our epigenetic profiles. I always believed both of my bros were dropped on their heads at birth-they are slippery. I remember we did let the UK bunch vent over all the Brexit stuff-still going on. The world politically is on fire it seems-speaking generally trying not to be political. But the conversation seemed civil as I recollect. It is music related though as a lot of music has had political meaning across the globe-that's good stuff there. Much of the rock music of the 60-70s spot on politically and socially motivated. So it's not that the topic isn't pertinent and it would be nice if we could speak in generic terms-rather than taking some political position-if you understand what I'm saying? But that's fantasy land I have to support the political and religious ban-religion influenced a lot of music to. It's the "personal beliefs" that become problematic. Sad we can't be civil. Believe me I get it and know how easy it is to get pissed. I have had huge "anger issues" in past-my poorly controlled temper got me into anger management classes (that ain't something you want on your CV). I use to have little tolerance for idiots then discovered I was one to (and mean) -so I quit being so uptight (and mean) and got my Superman cape and my Batman bullet proof umbrella to let that crap bounce off me now (else I'd been long banned). I'm so happy now-being an idiot is the best thing that ever happened to me-which is ironic since I went to school so long.
 
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