Phil Collins cymbals with Genesis

Winston_Wolf

Platinum Member
Pinning down the specifics of Phil's cymbals is tough. He seems to have liked to clean off logos, especially early on, and most logos were already small to begin with.

The early stuff (71 - 74 or so) was probably mostly all Formula 602, maybe with some 2002's mixed in. I've heard he started to use Zildjian Brilliant cymbals around '77, but seemed to continue endorsing Paiste.

His cymbal sounds around Face Value/Abacab/Three Sides Live seem to be mostly 2002.

Phil switched to Sabian in 1983, mostly playing the HH line, but he used whatever he liked the sound of. Even as late as his 1997 tour I spotted a Sound Edge hi hat in his set up.
 

opentune

Platinum Member
Pinning down the specifics of Phil's cymbals is tough. He seems to have liked to clean off logos, especially early on, and most logos were already small to begin with.

The early stuff (71 - 74 or so) was probably mostly all Formula 602, maybe with some 2002's mixed in. I've heard he started to use Zildjian Brilliant cymbals around '77, but seemed to continue endorsing Paiste.

His cymbal sounds around Face Value/Abacab/Three Sides Live seem to be mostly 2002.

Phil switched to Sabian in 1983, mostly playing the HH line, but he used whatever he liked the sound of. Even as late as his 1997 tour I spotted a Sound Edge hi hat in his set up.
i listed a site just above your post. it lists his cymbal brands too, tour by tour ...no 2002s. lots of Genesis freaks out there follow this stuff.
 

starar

Member
Still trying to figure out which China he used during 76/77 for brand x, any clue other than a YouTube commenter suggesting it's a tiny wuhan?
 

Winston_Wolf

Platinum Member
i listed a site just above your post. it lists his cymbal brands too, tour by tour ...no 2002s. lots of Genesis freaks out there follow this stuff.
I'm familiar with the site, but it isn't complete and has some inaccuracies here and there. And while it mentions cymbal brands, it doesn't list any cymbal models unfortunately.

According to Paiste themselves, Phil's set up around the Duke/ Abacab era included a 2002 china type and hi hat, with Formula 602 crashes and ride.

I think he often used a Zildjian Swish as his Chinas most of the time, in spite of his endorsements.
 

Hewitt2

Senior Member
I'm familiar with the site, but it isn't complete and has some inaccuracies here and there. And while it mentions cymbal brands, it doesn't list any cymbal models unfortunately.

According to Paiste themselves, Phil's set up around the Duke/ Abacab era included a 2002 china type and hi hat, with Formula 602 crashes and ride.

I think he often used a Zildjian Swish as his Chinas most of the time, in spite of his endorsements.
Yup - I built from scratch a replica kit of Phil's that he used around that time (all drums, hardware, and cymbals are period specific) and the Paiste reference is the most "official."

Noting that he had hundreds of cymbals to pick from and would constantly move cymbals in/out of the rotation.
 

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Joeykrack

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Yup - I built from scratch a replica kit of Phil's that he used around that time (all drums, hardware, and cymbals are period specific) and the Paiste reference is the most "official."

Noting that he had hundreds of cymbals to pick from and would constantly move cymbals in/out of the rotation.
What does it mean extras?
 

Winston_Wolf

Platinum Member
I think the ad is implying Phil had a "normal" set and an assortment of different "extra" cymbals he might substitute in for a specific purpose.

While there's no guarantee it's actually his own gear, a Sound Creation Short Crash shows up in the No Reply At All music video.
 

mikyok

Platinum Member
Always wondered what he used on Foxtrot, Selling England by the Pound and Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

From what I've seen on pics and videos there's a mix of Paiste and Zildjian. There might even be some Super Zyn in there too.

Drumming on those albums is phenomenal.
 

Hewitt2

Senior Member
Phil also had the tendency to scrub down the labels on his cymbals so there are many pics with no easier identifiers.

Even when he was formally endorsed by Sabian (and had a published set-up) he would constantly switch-in models across the Sabian family, as well as stuff by Zildjian and Paiste.
 

yammyfan

Senior Member
Phil also had the tendency to scrub down the labels on his cymbals so there are many pics with no easier identifiers.
Unless you know your gear intimately, how the heck do you tell them all apart when you do that - at least the most similar ones?

This, for me, is one of the best arguments for leaving logos intact.
 
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