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He's such a amazing drummer.Speaking of Eric Moore, he just posted this an hour ago, haha. It appears to be a DW Performance series.
He's such a amazing drummer.Speaking of Eric Moore, he just posted this an hour ago, haha. It appears to be a DW Performance series.
...I have also come to the realization that I like the non - collectors maple DW kits more than Collectors Maples .
I don’t think so because we’ve heard great Collectors kits with re-rings that were nicely low and fat. Or are you saying you hear that in every Collectors kit?I've come to that realization too. Most of the Collector's series demos don't sound that great to me. Could it be because of the re-rings? They bring the pitch up higher than the Design and Performance series.
I recently got a PDP MX kit (100% North American maple, said to be factory seconds from DW), and I think it may sound a little better than the Collector's series. I love it this kit.
Do you think it could be the re-rings messing with the frequencies and fundamental pitch?
I can't really put my finger on why I've come to this conclusion, but I've watched a ton of vids (especially from The Drum Shop Maine) and I remember sometimes thinking they didn't sound as good as they should've. Sure, maybe it's the tuning...but it's happened plenty of times, regardless of which Youtube channel I was watching.I don’t think so because we’ve heard great Collectors kits with re-rings that were nicely low and fat. Or are you saying you hear that in every Collectors kit?
Understandable. I’ll tell you this; when I went from a Collectors kit to the Pearl Reference, I was really surprised how easy I got the low phat tones. Of course, Reference doesn’t have rings, but their thing is the added mahogany and the different bearing edges, which is a cool philosophy.I can't really put my finger on why I've come to this conclusion, but I've watched a ton of vids (especially from The Drum Shop Maine) and I remember sometimes thinking they didn't sound as good as they should've. Sure, maybe it's the tuning...but it's happened plenty of times, regardless of which Youtube channel I was watching.
It could be that I just like the tonality of thin shells with NO re-rings? But that can't be true because I love the sound of the Prolites. My head hurts.
Long story short, I can't definitively say the Collector's series sounds 'less good' than the non-Collector's DW kits, but I've gotten that thought in my head many many times before. When @RickP said the same thing, it somewhat validated my suspicions. Granted, I'm splitting hairs here, there's not a big difference one way or the other.
Understandable. I’ll tell you this; when I went from a Collectors kit to the Pearl Reference, I was really surprised how easy I got the low phat tones. Of course, Reference doesn’t have rings, but their thing is the added mahogany and the different bearing edges, which is a cool philosophy.
But, what this does is give you a kit that sounds optimized for low phatness. When I tried coated ambassadors and wanted a nice high tuning for jazz, that was harder to get. So I get where Pearl was going, the set is made to do certain frequencies really well, kinda like a one-trick pony. I think if you can tune a Collectors kit to get low and phat, you end up with a more versatile kit in the long run. Granted, you can do that with Reference, but Reference wants to do what it does best.
So you're saying the Reference series isn't so versatile because it doesn't do high tunings well? And that the Collector's series is more versatile?Understandable. I’ll tell you this; when I went from a Collectors kit to the Pearl Reference, I was really surprised how easy I got the low phat tones. Of course, Reference doesn’t have rings, but their thing is the added mahogany and the different bearing edges, which is a cool philosophy.
But, what this does is give you a kit that sounds optimized for low phatness. When I tried coated ambassadors and wanted a nice high tuning for jazz, that was harder to get. So I get where Pearl was going, the set is made to do certain frequencies really well, kinda like a one-trick pony. I think if you can tune a Collectors kit to get low and phat, you end up with a more versatile kit in the long run. Granted, you can do that with Reference, but Reference wants to do what it does best.
I think I meant that some drums do things better than others. I didn’t say Reference couldn’t do high tubings, I merely said that it wants to sing at lower pitches. This is further assumed the way they get shipped, with double-ply emperor heads - so Pearl is practically telling you to go for low and phat. They will do high, but it’s like looking at a Dodge Challenger and saying you only want to go 35 mph.So you're saying the Reference series isn't so versatile because it doesn't do high tunings well? And that the Collector's series is more versatile?
I just assumed the Reference kit would be versatile. I'd be surprised if they aren't, although I've heard mixed reviews on the Yamaha Phoenix kits. Some say they're difficult to tune or that they have a sweet spot, and some say they have a wide tuning range. So which is it? haha
You'd think when you're spending 5-7k on a Flagship kit that you're getting a versatile kit...but I guess that's not always the case?
Some ?Pearl's Session Studio Select series bears some of the Reference "phatness" you describe. Even through the bright clarity of the exterior Birch, you get darkness from the internal African mahogany. Two woods that should be at war with each other find a way to work as allies. The balance is beautiful.
I’ve decided to experiment again and bought a DW Collector’s cherry mahogany kit.
All Collectors come with those heads AFAIK. I would think that heads are customizable too, everything else is with DW.I'll preface my remark by saying I think DW makes some really nice drums. I came really close to buying a used 6 pc Collectors series a few years back. The seller backed out of the deal at the last minute. My question is: Are people turned off by the stock heads? Also, do new kit buyers have a choice of heads or do all the collector series kits come with the stock, dampened heads?
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I think he plays all of the DW lines...I recall him using a performance set for a tour and him saying the sound fit the need of the show more so than his collectors sets did.Speaking of Eric Moore, he just posted this an hour ago, haha. It appears to be a DW Performance series.
I wonder if anybody thought Camcos in the 60s looked over-engineered? DW hasn’t strayed away at all from that look, you know.The only kit I've owned out of the two is a very old second hand Pearl Maxwin that I picked up for $50 AUD.
I think that DWs' look too over engineered.
Their lugs are splayed all over the shell.
No doubt they sound good though.
So from my perspective, I prefer Pearl I guess.