Pearl P3000D Eliminator Demon Drive Bass Pedals

Pinner

Senior Member
I was at GC Spokane and they have the(Demon) pedal set up and it is smooth and easy to control. I will not spend the money on it at this time but maybe in the future I might when the price drops. Try it and see if you like it there's no other way.For now I am loving my DW7000
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GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
Of course it does, it also takes more engineering know how to design a model T ford than a piece of rebar for a building, what is your point? (Plus you can clearly see it's NOT a straight rod either)
By straight I meant it was one piece, direct drive, and the chain has multiple pieces. I'm just not sure the direct drive justifies the money if that's what they are hyping. There have been other direct drive pedals around for a while.
 

walkera1962

Senior Member
The best pedal on the market. Check out the video's all over you tube. I have the single pedal and the double pedal and I also sell them on ebay. I also have the best price.

The double pedal $569.00 and FREE shipping!

oh yeah!
 

mrchattr

Gold Member
WOW...Joe...that's *quite* a solid endorsement. I bought my DW 5000 AD3 a couple of years ago and haven't so much as looked at another pedal since. But...if you're entirely serious here...maybe I'll check it out.
Name is Jon, but close enough. Vinnie, I am entirely serious. Now, I have not played it more than once, so it's not like I have a ton of experience with it...but yeah, man, it's worth taking for a test drive. I was in shock.
 

zambizzi

Platinum Member
Name is Jon, but close enough. Vinnie, I am entirely serious. Now, I have not played it more than once, so it's not like I have a ton of experience with it...but yeah, man, it's worth taking for a test drive. I was in shock.
Whoops! Sorry Jon. I'm heading to GC tomorrow to see if they have one out on the floor yet. That's all the sales guy could talk about the last time I was in there.
 

mrchattr

Gold Member
Whoops! Sorry Jon. I'm heading to GC tomorrow to see if they have one out on the floor yet. That's all the sales guy could talk about the last time I was in there.
Awesome, dude. Post in here and let me know what you think! At some point I'm sure I'm going to buy one, despite not needing one. :-D
 

eddiehimself

Platinum Member
By straight I meant it was one piece, direct drive, and the chain has multiple pieces. I'm just not sure the direct drive justifies the money if that's what they are hyping. There have been other direct drive pedals around for a while.
Well of course, i mean the speedking was a direct drive pedal. However, the speedking was also a pile of crap (technically speaking of course). It's not just the driving mechanisim itself that is the issue here about the price, it's the actual quality of the engineering and materials that go into it, i mean these things are made out of aluminium and engineered to the highest specifications to try and make the fastest pedal possible, i don't think it's all just hype.
 

Xalky

Member
Well of course, i mean the speedking was a direct drive pedal. However, the speedking was also a pile of crap (technically speaking of course). It's not just the driving mechanisim itself that is the issue here about the price, it's the actual quality of the engineering and materials that go into it, i mean these things are made out of aluminium and engineered to the highest specifications to try and make the fastest pedal possible, i don't think it's all just hype.
I'll let you guys know about the hype. Excited as hell!! I'm getting my double set Monday, with any luck the little brown truck will show up early.
 

zambizzi

Platinum Member
My wife is trying to talk me into one of these...I'm going to GC in about 15 min. to try it out. I might just come home w/ one! :)
 

Xalky

Member
My wife is trying to talk me into one of these...I'm going to GC in about 15 min. to try it out. I might just come home w/ one! :)
You have a spectacular wife. My wife is gonna give me major attitude when she finds out I bought one. I'm trying to figure out how to divert her away from the UPS truck tomorrow. We both have the day off from work. Maybe I can send her out to run errands or something.
 

GruntersDad

Administrator - Mayor
Staff member
Well of course, i mean the speedking was a direct drive pedal. However, the speedking was also a pile of crap (technically speaking of course). It's not just the driving mechanisim itself that is the issue here about the price, it's the actual quality of the engineering and materials that go into it, i mean these things are made out of aluminium and engineered to the highest specifications to try and make the fastest pedal possible, i don't think it's all just hype.
So is the TAYE pedal, made of aluminum, to the highest tech specs. and its only 180.00
and 400.00 for the double. It was the convention choice 2 years ago at NAMM as this one was this year. Unless you've seen the TAYE pedal you would be surprised at its speed and workmanship.

It reminds me, for the moment, of all of the hoopla that KFC is giving its new "grilled" chicken. My friend works there part time and its not grilled, its baked, but because of their failure to sell baked chicken that last time they tried, they are calling this "grilled" and tell their staff to tell customers its grilled by a secret process. BS. So if I say a pedal is the fastest, best engineered, pedal on the market I guess that makes it so. I will wait for them to be tested by the public before passing judgment. I remember the maker of Gibraltars Catapault pedal coming on this site to promote that pedal, and I have heard nothing of it since. That is what I mean by hype. I don't mean to infer that hype is misleading, only that it is premature.
 

bobdadruma

Platinum Member
Ludwig claims that they have redesigned the footboard on the Speed King. I played one for thirty years and I looked at the new "Redesigned Speed King". I couldn't see or feel any improvement at all!
I bought an Iron Cobra for $140 and I thought that I payed too much for it. At least it is quite reliable, and smooth. I think that I would buy a new cymbal before I paid that kind of cash for a P3000D. I guess that it is a different school of thought to a double player.
Let the buyer beware.
 
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zambizzi

Platinum Member
You have a spectacular wife. My wife is gonna give me major attitude when she finds out I bought one. I'm trying to figure out how to divert her away from the UPS truck tomorrow. We both have the day off from work. Maybe I can send her out to run errands or something.
Yes, she is!

So yeah...I picked one up. I have 30 days to return it if I don't like it so I figure I'll at least evaluate it and see if it's all hype.

I had Mother's Day duties to attend to so I didn't have time to try it out tonight. I just fooled around w/ it and tried some settings. I can't play it since my drums are still setup in the living room (move into the new man cave tomorrow).

Anyhow, smooth it definitely is. I had it setup against the couch to stay quiet and have been comparing it to my DW 5000 AD3.

My initial impression is; it's a whole new ball game. It doesn't feel anything like a chain-drive pedal and so far...I remain extremely skeptical. I'll provide something useful tomorrow, once I'm able to actually play it on a drum.
 

Pavlos

Senior Member
GD, comparing bass pedals to fried chicken hype. I love it.

I'm just trying to seperate the hype from reality and get down to what this pedal is really about. I'm almost predisposed to hating it because of the hype too, but after playing it for a bit at the store I am almost sucked in. (Trick is still in the running too.) The DD is a cool pedal.

What this whole thing reminds me of is when a major hollywood studio remakes a lesser known indie or foreign film and processes it for mass consumption. Mou gan doo (Internal Affairs) was a Hong Kong flick that was used as the basis for The Departed. While Axis and Trick pedals were the more recent direct drive revivalists, now Pearl is bringing the whole thing to the masses with big marketing touting Demon Drives and Ninja bearings.

Sometimes this can work for films, other times a lot gets lost in translation or the big hollywood machine. Is the same true for the drum industry? Maybe.

Come to think of it "Demon Drive, Ninja Bearing" could be the title of a Hong Kong flick.
 

eddiehimself

Platinum Member
So is the TAYE pedal, made of aluminum, to the highest tech specs. and its only 180.00
and 400.00 for the double. It was the convention choice 2 years ago at NAMM as this one was this year. Unless you've seen the TAYE pedal you would be surprised at its speed and workmanship.
yeah okay i get what you mean, actually i can get the axis pedals for about that same price (in £) too. But it is a new product, most of the costs of a new products is R&D, which is another reason for why things are so high priced when they're new, as well as the hype.
 

zambizzi

Platinum Member
I went home for my lunch break today and gave the Demon a serious test drive. I'm returning it to Guitar Center tonight for a refund.

I tried a one-for-one comparison w/ my DW 5000 AD3 and for ME, it doesn't even begin to hold a candle to it. The direct-drive thing just isn't for me...at all. I tried different spring tensions, the different settings on the joints, etc.

What I didn't like was the fact that the pedal feels as if it tries to do everything for you and it sort of "sticks" to your foot. I don't want that...I want to work with the rebound from the head. Ghost notes seemed impossible to conjure up, it felt very insensitive to my foot. The entire stroke on this pedal feels awkward and stiff at medium-to-high tension and as if it's not even there, with lighter spring tension. The beater is crap, IMO...but it didn't feel any better w/ my favorite Iron Cobra felt beater.

I didn't even bother w/ the "longboard" setting. I packed it up and stapled my receipt to the box.

So long, little demon!
 

Drummertist

Silver Member
I think what makes me wonder about this pedal is whether the transformable longboard is "Weak" at the end where the hinge is. Also, are the parts shaped out of blocks of aluminum and steel like the Trick or does it have a bunch of cast parts?
 
I went home for my lunch break today and gave the Demon a serious test drive. I'm returning it to Guitar Center tonight for a refund.

I tried a one-for-one comparison w/ my DW 5000 AD3 and for ME, it doesn't even begin to hold a candle to it. The direct-drive thing just isn't for me...at all. I tried different spring tensions, the different settings on the joints, etc.

What I didn't like was the fact that the pedal feels as if it tries to do everything for you and it sort of "sticks" to your foot. I don't want that...I want to work with the rebound from the head. Ghost notes seemed impossible to conjure up, it felt very insensitive to my foot. The entire stroke on this pedal feels awkward and stiff at medium-to-high tension and as if it's not even there, with lighter spring tension. The beater is crap, IMO...but it didn't feel any better w/ my favorite Iron Cobra felt beater.

I didn't even bother w/ the "longboard" setting. I packed it up and stapled my receipt to the box.

So long, little demon!
Go DW! Wooooooooooooooo!...
 

Trigger

Senior Member
The best pedal on the market. Check out the video's all over you tube. I have the single pedal and the double pedal and I also sell them on ebay. I also have the best price.

The double pedal $569.00 and FREE shipping!

oh yeah!
How much for a single? Also, do you ship internationally?
 
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