The top hat was on clearance with the yellow tag for $75 and i asked if the bottom one was as well and he said if I bought the top one he'd give me the bottom one for the same price. Yeah I got them. I was gonna get 2002 14" SE but these are nice as well! They have a brand new set of the SE for $300. Guitar Center Marietta Ga...Gary I think is his name...cool guy! 2112 Percussion in Raleigh NC where I'm from will discount cymbals...the more you buy at once, the more you save....Paiste, Sabian, Zildjian...so there are definitely deals out there!