I'm sure this question has been posted, but I'm looking for gut reactions from people who've played both. I've been debating trying out some Paistes, but I don't want to duplicate the sound I get using Zildjian K's. I'd like a little brighter and louder, but not sure if 2002s would be too bright and too loud? I'm a bit intrigued by the Giant Beats and how they're all "multi-use" cymbals, which makes me think they're a little thinner and probably more musical than the 2002s. What say you, Paiste folks?
The only thing I'd experienced personally was a 24 GB ride which I'd listened to on youtube endlessly. It arrived..i opened it..put it on a stand and my heart sunk. Not at all like the demo. For me it was to washy..not the deep warm ping I'd heard on the video. I actually WANTED wash but not THAT much. I sent it back for the 24 2002 and that for me was the porridge that was .....just right. Whenever I listen to comparison demos between the two from drumcenter of portsmouth the 2002s always win out. BUT for crash cymbals I cannot get away from the paiste signature fast and full cymbals depending on the size. 18 and under its the fast crash I dig. 20 and above I like the full crash. I was a 2002 guy my entire life but the signature (crash cymbals) rocked my and so it is to this very moment. The end.
I have sets of both. The GB Multis are thinner than the regular 2002s (their crash weights are more like the 2002 Thin crashes), so their sound is slightly darker, but 2002s cut more. The GBs used as rides are very washy...I much prefer 2002 rides. I've used setups with GB crashes and 2002 rides, and either GB or 2002 hi-hats, so don't be afraid to mix and match. In the studio, I like GBs more, but I wouldn't say they're more musical. They're a bit smoother maybe. 2002s will be more of a contrast from your Ks.
I have no experience with Giant Beats (yet) but I have two sets of Zildjian Ks and one set of Paiste 2002s for contrast.
The thing I have learned about 2002s is to have faith in them. They sound great from the drummer's position but more importantly they sound superb from the audience's perspective. Get a few feet away from the drum kit and that's when 2002s really shine. Very clean and musical.
You can't go wrong with either set and it is definitely nice to have contrasting sets of cymbals.
I've not owned the Giant Beats, but when I've tried them in the store I noticed they are VERY thin toward the edge. They seem to taper more noticably in thickness from bell to edge than 2002s. They crashed well, but didn't have enough definition for riding, IMO.
Other than the fact that I broke every 2002 crash I ever owned, I liked the way they sounded. The 2002 22" regular ride is the perfect size in that line, to my ear.
I'd suggest going for the 2002s Bo. More of a contrast to your Ks, and more appropriate for rock/pop gigs, IMO.
I own full setups of both and agree with the previous posts concerning the main differences. I am also mixing GB and 2002 in my current rig and they get along great.
I've always liked the 2002s, but in my current set up/location/room they are a bit much. I looked at the GBs (online video) but I thought something was missing. I went with the Big Beat Paistes... To me they are similar to the 2002s but a little more subtle.
I've always liked the 2002s, but in my current set up/location/room they are a bit much. I looked at the GBs (online video) but I thought something was missing. I went with the Big Beat Paistes... To me they are similar to the 2002s but a little more subtle.
I've always liked the 2002s, but in my current set up/location/room they are a bit much. I looked at the GBs (online video) but I thought something was missing. I went with the Big Beat Paistes... To me they are similar to the 2002s but a little more subtle.
Are the 2002 Big Beat cymbals much different from the modern 2002's? I'm not sure if they make all 2002s into Big Beat models, but I did see the 24" 2002 Big Beat Ride. So I was just wondering if those are significantly different to the regular 2002s?
Oh dear - just did some YouTube searching and discovered the 2002 Big Beat line - and they come in boxed sets with sizes I like - I may want to add the 17" hi hats too - but the Rob Brown review of these is very positive. I'm leaning that way until I can actually try some out - they seem nice and bright but not clangy - which is one reason I was drawn to the K 22" Light Ride and A Thin crashes - but I noticed at the Devo concert we did with the big sound system, my 22" ride didn't cut as much as I would've liked (and I was mic'ed up) - so maybe new Paistes could be in my future.
Although I'm also not against trying a 22" A Zildjian Medium Ride to get more brightness. Oh the options that are available.....
The only thing I'd experienced personally was a 24 GB ride which I'd listened to on youtube endlessly. It arrived..i opened it..put it on a stand and my heart sunk. Not at all like the demo. For me it was to washy..not the deep warm ping I'd heard on the video. I actually WANTED wash but not THAT much. I sent it back for the 24 2002 and that for me was the porridge that was .....just right. Whenever I listen to comparison demos between the two from drumcenter of portsmouth the 2002s always win out. BUT for crash cymbals I cannot get away from the paiste signature fast and full cymbals depending on the size. 18 and under its the fast crash I dig. 20 and above I like the full crash. I was a 2002 guy my entire life but the signature (crash cymbals) rocked my and so it is to this very moment. The end.
Ho my god, thanks for the info, I'm debating to get an 18" crash as I have a 19" dark energy and I was thinking that this could be right on with a signature to get that high end shimmering classic Paiste sound and I was always hesitating between fast or full. I have a sound factory Frankenstein logo in 16" that is a full and I love it, it's the highest pitched of all my cymbals, even higher than the Sabian HHX 14". So, why would you say, 18" and up, fast, while 19" and down, full? Let me know. And why did you prefer signature compared to dark energy?
I have no experience with Giant Beats (yet) but I have two sets of Zildjian Ks and one set of Paiste 2002s for contrast.
The thing I have learned about 2002s is to have faith in them. They sound great from the drummer's position but more importantly they sound superb from the audience's perspective. Get a few feet away from the drum kit and that's when 2002s really shine. Very clean and musical.
You can't go wrong with either set and it is definitely nice to have contrasting sets of cymbals.
I have always tried 2002 in my position and they are way to harsh for me, maybe I need to listen to them form the stage? But I have enough cymbals, only one signature 18" maybe and that's it...But yes, 2002 are brighter and louder I think.
I've used both over the years. I preferred Giant Beats personally. They handle everything amazingly well. I had a 22" 2002 Heavy Ride which I recorded a lot with.
Having said that I've always found that Zildjian do better hats and rides than the Paiste B8 and even signature offerings. Would your OCD allow you to play different cymbal brands in the same setup?
The only thing I'd experienced personally was a 24 GB ride which I'd listened to on youtube endlessly. It arrived..i opened it..put it on a stand and my heart sunk. Not at all like the demo. For me it was to washy..not the deep warm ping I'd heard on the video. I actually WANTED wash but not THAT much. I sent it back for the 24 2002 and that for me was the porridge that was .....just right. Whenever I listen to comparison demos between the two from drumcenter of portsmouth the 2002s always win out. BUT for crash cymbals I cannot get away from the paiste signature fast and full cymbals depending on the size. 18 and under its the fast crash I dig. 20 and above I like the full crash. I was a 2002 guy my entire life but the signature (crash cymbals) rocked my and so it is to this very moment. The end.
Not to derail the thread, but this made me think that with videos i always check which sticks are used; thick sticks, wood or nylon tips, shape of the tip etc.
That also can have huge impact on the way a cymbal sounds
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and so it is to this very moment. The end.
