Sorry to perpetuate GAS, but that's what got me here. Picked this up on Black Friday for a good price ... hand picked. Jeez this cymbal is like drug addiction. With each level of escalation, anything less than 24" appears to be subpar or unexciting. I can't keep it off the stand. I play it with a Vic Firth HD4 wood tip slim hickory stick. It has a warm defined ping with a nice wash underneath, not very bright, with a really good bell and responsive crash. I don't aspire to Led Zeppelin or John Bonham at all, but the man obviously had good taste. You can do anything with this ride. The only thing sad about it is I had to go all the way to edge to find it. What a thing a beauty. I couldn't imagine any drummer not liking this cymbal.